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Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

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Post by eyelidlessness »

gkya wrote: post #159
arnaudsm wrote: post #124

Let's face it : the modern web is a nightmare without an adblocker and annoyance blocklists. And most web creators aren't even aware because they use these tools themselves. No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful.

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#162

Post by judge2020 »

yellowapple wrote: post #22

Not just news sites, either. A lot of fandom wikis run on the same platform, fandom.com. That site is a pain in the absolute fucking ass to use on any mobile device, specifically because of the autoplaying video that takes up half the screen on every page load . Weirdly, desktop is fine; no autoplaying videos or any such nonsense. It's only on mobile that Fandom has seemingly made a deliberate effort to make the user…

Hosted mediawiki isn't cheap, so I don't see another player coming into the market. The consolidation of gamepedia into "Fandom" is the worst in this respect.

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#163

Post by LordDragonfang »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #161
gkya wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).

That's because the default for not-logged-in users is "new" reddit, an anti-pattern-filled mobile-first abomination. Everyone that actually uses the site hates it too.

Regular reddit users forget how bad the default experience is when linking to it.

(You can restore the old, more hn-like appearance by replacing the "www" with "old" in any reddit permalink)

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#164

Post by gkya »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #161
gkya wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).

I suggest you go to a non-techie relative or friend and ask them permission to use their facebook for a moment.

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#166

Post by proactivesvcs »

cercatrova wrote: post #40

Off topic, but I've never seen mastodon linked like this before on HN. Interesting this this might've normally been a link to a tweet.

I'm seeing the Fediverse linked to more and more often, in the wild. Not the first time I've seen it linked here, either. It's heartening to see that there's a little light at the end of the tunnel.

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#167

Post by seoulmetro »

gkya wrote: post #159
arnaudsm wrote: post #124

Let's face it : the modern web is a nightmare without an adblocker and annoyance blocklists. And most web creators aren't even aware because they use these tools themselves. No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful.

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

You're mis-identifying user content with Facebook UI.

Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. all do have very clean UIs for such big game. But they are pretty hostile for advanced usage (on purpose).

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#168

Post by the_pwner224 »

_pfxa wrote: post #160
the_pwner224 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that most of the web is like this, but no, there's nothing illegal, immoral, or unacceptable about people offering to you (for free) shitty services which are a hassle (cost you resources) to use. You're free to not use them if you don't like them. Your argument is like saying if a barbershop always has 2 hour wait times and has crappy music playing on an excessively loud radio, it's ok to retaliate against…

This is literally the same nonsense your average HNer type says in reply to anything, so I won't bother explaining you shit, but if markets worked to fix things the world wouldn't have turned into shit after neo-liberalism. So yeah if my barbershop is playing loud music I ask them to turn it down please, and if barber queues are too long, maybe it's time for barbers to be nationalised because the private sector is fa…

That's basically the same thing as what I said. It's not an excuse to go start shooting barbers etc.

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#169

Post by dang »

gkya wrote: post #149
northwest65 wrote: post #16

How about an opt in botnet extension for your browser that focuses it's energy on sites with this sort of dark pattern behaviour. i.e. You install the extension, when you come across a site like this you vote it for getting punishment, once the site gets enough vote the botnet occasionally focusses it's energy on the site in question when the participants browser is otherwise sitting idle. The punishment could potent…

The replies to this are so funny :D "It's illegal! Immoral! Assassination! Theft! Murder! Felony! To the gallows!" Yeah, no. So it's legal, moral, and acceptable that software and websites are made, by you folk reading this here website no less, to consume orders of magnitude more resources than they need to, just so that web companies---you folk, remember---can make some stats go up and turn them into money. It's ok…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how bad someone's idea is or you feel it is. This comment is a noticeable step downward into hell.

Also, please don't post supercilious putdowns of the rest of the community. You have no idea who you're talking to here (none of us does). That sort of rhetoric is not only flamebait, it's reliably a marker of extremely low comment quality. We want thoughtful, curious conversation here, not users acting like they're better than others.

Edit: you did it even worse here too - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29456018, and worse yet at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28688315. Would you please review the site guidelines and stick to them? They explicitly ask you not to post like this, and we ban accounts that keep doing it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: You click a link to a news site, to read an article that seems interesting

#170

Post by gkya »

dang wrote: post #169
gkya wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The replies to this are so funny :D "It's illegal! Immoral! Assassination! Theft! Murder! Felony! To the gallows!" Yeah, no. So it's legal, moral, and acceptable that software and websites are made, by you folk reading this here website no less, to consume orders of magnitude more resources than they need to, just so that web companies---you folk, remember---can make some stats go up and turn them into money. It's ok…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how bad someone's idea is or you feel it is. This comment is a noticeable step downward into hell. Also, please don't post supercilious putdowns of the rest of the community. You have no idea who you're talking to here (none of us does). That sort of rhetoric is not only flamebait, it's reliably a marker of extremely low comment quality. We want though…

Ban.
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