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WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

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Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#11

Good news - you should be using Signal anyway

Centralized services will all suffer the same fate.

XMPP was the correct answer 20 years ago, and (with an encryption layer) it's the correct answer now.

Matrix and activitypub are also valid answers.

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#12
post #2

Old habits and mindsets never seem to change despite corporate pronouncements and PR puff pieces written by stenographers. The regulators (and legislators) are either the biggest dupes, or much more likely in on it. Let’s not forget the FTC hookup for Netflix by Obama and the eventual payout when he left office. Or Ajit Pai who came from Verizon to run the FTC and undid the Obama era changes favorable to Netflix and…

> The regulators (and legislators) are either the biggest dupes, or much more likely in on it.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/irish-data-privacy-watchd...

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#13
post #2

Old habits and mindsets never seem to change despite corporate pronouncements and PR puff pieces written by stenographers. The regulators (and legislators) are either the biggest dupes, or much more likely in on it. Let’s not forget the FTC hookup for Netflix by Obama and the eventual payout when he left office. Or Ajit Pai who came from Verizon to run the FTC and undid the Obama era changes favorable to Netflix and…

Do you have any links about the Netflix assertion here?

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#14
post #2

Old habits and mindsets never seem to change despite corporate pronouncements and PR puff pieces written by stenographers. The regulators (and legislators) are either the biggest dupes, or much more likely in on it. Let’s not forget the FTC hookup for Netflix by Obama and the eventual payout when he left office. Or Ajit Pai who came from Verizon to run the FTC and undid the Obama era changes favorable to Netflix and…

Earlier this year, when the change was announced and the media talked about it, I saw a ton of people starting to use signal (non-tech neighbours, my plumber, headhunters I still have in my contact list, etc). At this point I asked my mother to install it and to my surprise a lot of her friends where actually on Signal.

It's still not the majority but at this point there is a significant user base for signal, much more than one year earlier.

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#15
post #2

Old habits and mindsets never seem to change despite corporate pronouncements and PR puff pieces written by stenographers. The regulators (and legislators) are either the biggest dupes, or much more likely in on it. Let’s not forget the FTC hookup for Netflix by Obama and the eventual payout when he left office. Or Ajit Pai who came from Verizon to run the FTC and undid the Obama era changes favorable to Netflix and…

I'm not familiar with thos two FTC snafus. A couple of links would be helpful and appreciated.

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#17
I worked at WhatsApp between 2011 and 2019. This FAQ had very specific instructions for how to opt out of sharing that were only available for a limited amount of time. The FAQ serves as documentation of the product and there's no need to keep online specific instructions that can no longer be followed.

In order to opt out, you needed to have an existing account and take specific actions around the time you agreed to the 2016 new terms of service. Based on the internet archive, this article was removed after April 20, 2018, and before May 5, 2018. When it was most likely obsolete (I don't recall the specific deadlines for accepting the 2016 TOS)

On the plus side, the various terms of services are all available without digging in the internet archive https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/terms-of-service/revisions

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#18
According to archive.org, it was removed sometime between Apr 20th and May 5th, 2018. Last snapshot: https://web.archive.org/web/20180420190834/https://faq.whats...

Even when the option was there, it was hidden behind the 'read terms and conditions' link.

If you missed that, there was an opt-out in Settings > Account > Share my account info. But the site implies that option is only available for the first 30 days.

And even if you, despite their best efforts, opt-out, it's a very limited opt-out:

The Facebook family of companies will still receive and use this information for other purposes such as improving infrastructure and delivery systems, understanding how our services or theirs are used, securing systems, and fighting spam, abuse, or infringement activities.

Re: WhatsApp has removed answer to “how do I choose not to share data with FB”

#20

Good news - you should be using Signal anyway

Signal seems too good to be true. If anything is perfectly private/secure it won't be allowed to exist due to regulations or government agenda(which creates these regulations). Just like any crypto with anonymous protocols never get listed on exchanges.
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