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Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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> but usually good actors have an abundance of mitigating evidence at their disposal You must be joking. That's not how it works when the government has you in their crosshairs. >and it's usually just easier to say "here's the evidence, we're not guilty". And then the government will spend years and millions of dollars trying to poke holes in that evidence of innocence. Anyone who follows the news has seen this repea…

I am talking about white collar crime, which tends to be much more black and white than terrorism. And no, the government doesn't have a history of spending millions in trying to chase frivolous cases. Has it happened? Sure. But prosecutors are graded on their closure rate which is why you see so many settlements. The last thing they want is to waste millions on a witch hunt. You only see the bad. You say "anyone who…

Tether is obviously the kind of business the government fundamentally doesn't like. Whether or not what they're doing violates any current laws doesn't matter, they are yet another Liberty Reserve enabling large scale money laundering.

Even in an imaginary world where Tether is a completely legitimate business not operating in violation of any existing laws, there would be no way for them to make government investigations go away within any reasonable timeframe.

It is simply ridiculous of you to suggest that we could expect the government to play fair when dealing with Tether.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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And? So what? If that quantity of Tether (1/75 of the float) were dumped into the open market for USD, you'd expect to see the USD change rate fall. That clearly hasn't happened. The rate has been very close to 1:1 forever. There's this unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that as I gather goes like this: Tether prints tokens, uses them to buy bitcoin when the USDBTC exchange rate falls. These Tether issuance spikes alw…

> [I]f there were legitimate buying of BTC with Tether, which is plausible after the ass-whooping USDBTC has taken recently, new Tether would need to be issued to keep the 1:1 peg. Can you explain in detail why new Tether would need to be issued?

Increased demand for tether causes the exchange to rise as buyers compete against each other. Same as any other currency market. There's nothing special here. Tether needs to be issued to satisfy the demand and prevent the price of tether from rising against the dollar.

Look, Tether is in all likelihood a scam that will eventually collapse. I'm just saying there are multiple ways to explain what's happening. Those making the claims have the burden of proof. And that proof has been rather thin for my taste.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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I worked at Circle. If you think that Jeremy Allaire is going to go to federal prison, you are out of your mind. Their combined in-house plus external legal teams are larger than 95% of the YC startup headcounts. The US government has been all over them for years.

As someone who worked at Circle, how comfortable would you be if you held a significant percentage of your savings as USDC? Same question, but for USDT, DAI and hard-cash-in-hand?

What purpose would somebody have to keep a significant percentage of their savings in USDC, which isn't subject to FDIC protections? The same logic would extend to anything else that is a similar digital cash-equivalent.

Given the purported 1:1 peg with the USD, there is no advantage to holding any cash savings in USD[C|T] form.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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People who have no idea how crypto markets work always get riled up by these tweets. Contrary to popular belief, there is generally huge demand spike for USDT when crypto market has flash crashes, not other way around. More USDT got issued because there was opportunity to make 0.1-0.2% on each new USDT since demand for it was that high (i.e. people were paying real USD to buy USDT at a premium, imagine that). USDT (a…

> Contrary to popular belief, there is generally huge demand spike for USDT when crypto market has flash crashes, not other way around. This is not contrary to popular belief at all. Tether almost always prints a few billion around large pullbacks, and the cynical view is that this is to stabilize markets by buying the dip. > More USDT got issued because there was opportunity to make 0.1-0.2% on each new USDT since d…

While I am no huge volume arbitrageour/market maker, I actually make a living running arbitrage systems and market making systems specifically for stablecoins.

I do consider to know what I am talking about, considering my systems make hefty profits and have no real exposure to volatile crypto assets (or even long term exposure to crypto in general, my profits are in real world dollars). This is why I know that USDT has actual real utility and it is currently best instrument in its category. USDT is indeed somewhat shady but it’s premise and utility are all sensible and it is hugely profitable for its founders. They have zero reasons or incentives to do suspect things that could risk its peg.

If something goes horribly wrong for USDT it is going to be due to incompetence and not because of some long term planned con.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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Nah, most of USDT is on TRC20 because gas fees are way cheaper there and most of the exchanges support withdrawing USDT using TRC20. So all arbitrageurs, market makers, etc, transfer USDT between different entities through TRC20 network. USDT on TRC20 started to increase only after Ethereum gas fees got ridiculously high and it became too expensive to use even for pretty high volume market makers.

Absolutely not. Large Tron issuances started well before Ethereum gas fees soared. We are talking a couple of years ago. Also, market makers moving Tether around do not give two shits about $60 in gas fees or whatever. Additionally, a huge amount of Tether has gone into DeFi on Ethereum and L2s (or bridged to newer L1s, which typically don't have a Tron bridge).

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/data/decentralized-finance/st...

Ethereum was dominating TRON until very recently and this does have to do with huge increases in Gas prices on Ethereum

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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And? So what? If that quantity of Tether (1/75 of the float) were dumped into the open market for USD, you'd expect to see the USD change rate fall. That clearly hasn't happened. The rate has been very close to 1:1 forever. There's this unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that as I gather goes like this: Tether prints tokens, uses them to buy bitcoin when the USDBTC exchange rate falls. These Tether issuance spikes alw…

> That clearly hasn't happened. The rate has been very close to 1:1 forever. I tried to set a buy order for Tether at less than $1 and the exchange (Kraken) would not let me, maybe that's why?

Binance and Bitfinex definitely let you do this, so that's not why.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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As someone who worked at Circle, how comfortable would you be if you held a significant percentage of your savings as USDC? Same question, but for USDT, DAI and hard-cash-in-hand?

What purpose would somebody have to keep a significant percentage of their savings in USDC, which isn't subject to FDIC protections? The same logic would extend to anything else that is a similar digital cash-equivalent. Given the purported 1:1 peg with the USD, there is no advantage to holding any cash savings in USD[C|T] form.

Because my main strategy for DeFI has been to (a) provide liquidity in Uniswap pools with tokens paired against USDC and (b) liquidity on Curve, where you stake USDC and DAI.

I have had returns that are simply unmatched by any savings account, the liquidity pools with stabletokens help to reduce a lot of the volatility while generating some income from the collected fees, and if I there is any big downswings, I don't need to rush to cash out because most of my holdings are in stables.

I know that I don't want to touch Tether, but if USDC is also deemed toxic, it forces me to reevaluate the risks of both USDC and DAI (which is basically 50% backed by USDC currently)

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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80% of crypto trades are against USDT

why? a friend said it's because he doesn't have to pay tax, i corrected him last year. are people doing this because they really think they don't have to pay tax unless they swap to actual USDs? Or they're just hiding their USDs away from the IRS and other taxation entities?

It's suspected (not proven) that the majority of the trade is actually wash trading to pump the price of Bitcoin. Additionally, an exchange trading in USD will be exposed to US regulation as a result of that, even if not situated in the US--if you're trying to evade US financial regulations (or sanctions), you really don't want to touch any USD whatsoever.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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Beyond the fraud allegations, the idea that an organisation can just print extra money as they see fit, doesn’t that go against the principles of crypto finance? I am genuinely curious why people think that is a sustainable idea.

>Beyond the fraud allegations, the idea that an organisation can just print extra money as they see fit, doesn’t that go against the principles of crypto finance? or maybe the crypto community isn't a monolith, and all the cryptoanarchists aren't the people who hold/support tether?

They might not be a monolith, but I've yet to see participants advocating for Tether to show audited financials like anybody else in their position would be obliged to.

They appear to all be playing by the rules Tether is setting.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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I worked at Circle. If you think that Jeremy Allaire is going to go to federal prison, you are out of your mind. Their combined in-house plus external legal teams are larger than 95% of the YC startup headcounts. The US government has been all over them for years.

As someone who worked at Circle, how comfortable would you be if you held a significant percentage of your savings as USDC? Same question, but for USDT, DAI and hard-cash-in-hand?

The risk is not that Circle would lose your money, I am extremely confident in their security and key management. The risk would be that you yourself would lose your key somehow.

You are also open to smart contract risk in Uniswap from your other comment, but they also have been around a very long time.

I wouldn’t worry about USDC, I would worry about everything surrounding it in the defi ecosystem.

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