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Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

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Every time there's a tether story here, the inevitable discussion of fraudulent activity comes up because Tether seems like an outright scam. I'm inclined to believe all that from what I've read and however little I can make sense of. However, I can't really tell how this ends. They seem confident that there will be no repercussions to minting money out of thin air and, so far, they've been right. Eventually, that's…

Beyond the fraud allegations, the idea that an organisation can just print extra money as they see fit, doesn’t that go against the principles of crypto finance? I am genuinely curious why people think that is a sustainable idea.

> principles of crypto finance

There isn't really such a think.

There are many crypto currencies with different goals and approaches to handling market dynamics. And there are some where doing such a think is fully against there principles and would brake their marked dynamics. But not necessary for other reasons. But this also means you need to look at the specific crypto system in question to decide why it might or might not work.

I don't know much about Tether specifically, but lets say you have a new arbitrary crypto currency you try to make price stable, but like many crypto currencies it end up having deflationary tendencies (more demand, money getting "locked" in, etc.). In which case minting new coins would not only be sustainable but likely necessary.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#142
People who have no idea how crypto markets work always get riled up by these tweets. Contrary to popular belief, there is generally huge demand spike for USDT when crypto market has flash crashes, not other way around.

More USDT got issued because there was opportunity to make 0.1-0.2% on each new USDT since demand for it was that high (i.e. people were paying real USD to buy USDT at a premium, imagine that).

USDT (and USDC) demand spikes during crypto crashes because people actually cash out to these instruments because they are so widely used and trusted by actual market players. People aren't cashing out of crypto ecosystem during most crashes, money actually stays in crypto networks.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#143
Some of these transactions on whale alert are extremely interesting -

https://whale-alert.io/transaction/bitcoin/be11f0e7c040a3f5c...

https://whale-alert.io/transaction/bitcoin/28bfa6497df054f42...

someone has been moving the same number of bitcoin between wallets like hot potato between wallets, about $730 million dollars. Why?

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#144
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't keep traders from trading bitcoin. That doesn't mean bitcoin is unprincipled. It's in the whitepaper and the design of bitcoin. For example, the 21M btc supply limit. Bitcoin's design reflects a certain ideology about money.

Bitcoin: by limiting issuance to 21M we have made price manipulation of our currency impossible Tether: hold my beer

>Bitcoin: by limiting issuance to 21M we have made price manipulation of our currency impossible

At what point did people claim that "price manipulation of [bitcoin]" was "impossible"? I think you're mistaking "price manipulation" with "dilution" (eg. quantitative easing or debasing).

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#145
Data on the major stable coins are available on coinmarketcap - click market cap, one month:

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/usd-coin/

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/

Tether's market cap - or dollar supply goes from 72 to 75B - up 3B USD.

USD Coin (related to Circle and Coinbase) goes from 34B to 41B - up 6B USD.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Circle has passed multiple audits. Circle has absolutely never been audited. Circle, like Tether, has published attestations, which do not remotely approach the thoroughness of an audit.

I worked at Circle. If you think that Jeremy Allaire is going to go to federal prison, you are out of your mind. Their combined in-house plus external legal teams are larger than 95% of the YC startup headcounts. The US government has been all over them for years.

> I worked at Circle. If you think that Jeremy Allaire is going to go to federal prison, you are out of your mind.

You're making massive leap in logic. I completely agree with you. Regulators have been absurdly slow to react, and I think that both Circle and Tether will probably end up just fine, at least legally. There may be a cataclysmic breaking of the peg but ultimately it will be retail that gets slaughtered. Tether's own terms from day 1 have basically told you that all you're getting from them is something that hopefully someone else will value for close to $1.

I think these guys are pretty iron clad. Doesn't change the fact that Tether has almost certainly played a key role in manipulating crypto higher, on the mild end by providing leverage through crypto collateralized loans, and at the serious end by outright fraudulently printing Tether.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just about every Ethereum competitor has some equivalent to ERC20 tokens. I'm surprised Tether dedicated 1 Billion USDT to TRON but its likely because they don't think there will be any repercussions for creating liquidity out of thin air.

A huge amount of Tether is TRC20 (if memory serves, the majority). Tron is very China centric, and Tether has massive connections to Chinese capital control evasion.

Nah, most of USDT is on TRC20 because gas fees are way cheaper there and most of the exchanges support withdrawing USDT using TRC20.

So all arbitrageurs, market makers, etc, transfer USDT between different entities through TRC20 network. USDT on TRC20 started to increase only after Ethereum gas fees got ridiculously high and it became too expensive to use even for pretty high volume market makers.

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#148
post #35

To put this into perspective 1. 1 billion is just 1.33% of the total USD Tether has issued. 2. USDC also issued 1bn in the last 24 hours.

Circle has passed multiple audits. Coinbase is a company that managed to at least convince the SEC they are doing things correctly. Also important, no one from Circle/Coinbase leadership is missing, incommunicado or in hiding.

Wrong, USDC has never been auditted. They do publish a monthly "attestation" by an independent accountant that seems to amount to tautologically saying that they are satisfied that Circle is not engaged in fraud IF the account balances provided by Circle are truthful: https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Circle has passed multiple audits. Circle has absolutely never been audited. Circle, like Tether, has published attestations, which do not remotely approach the thoroughness of an audit.

Ok. I stand corrected. Call them attestations. Nonetheless, they have been done by independent third-parties who are a lot more reputed than whatever has actually managed to look into Tether's data. Even if you take the "attestation" done by Tether at face value, it showed a mix of assets that is absolutely unhealthy.

Cool. So you clearly have no idea what an attestation is, or why the fact that it's not an audit is so important.

> Nonetheless, they have been done by independent third-parties who are a lot more reputed than whatever has actually managed to look into Tether's data.

Like the New York Attorney General? Go read the NYAG settlement. Tether got an attestation by wiring in $850m of Bitfinex's cash to their account the morning before an attestation, and then wiring it back to Bitfinex immediately after. The attestations merely state certain very shallow facts like "at this point in time, there were $X assets in an account". They do not audit the source and ultimate ownership of those things.

Look man, I get that you want someone to pump your bags. But sometimes it's best to just bite your tongue. Tether doesn't have any defense. They may be totally legit, and if they are, it's totally indefensible to act this way. And if they're not legit, well...

Re: Approx. 24 hours ago, Tether printed 1B $USDT out of thin air

#150
post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge amount of Tether is TRC20 (if memory serves, the majority). Tron is very China centric, and Tether has massive connections to Chinese capital control evasion.

Nah, most of USDT is on TRC20 because gas fees are way cheaper there and most of the exchanges support withdrawing USDT using TRC20. So all arbitrageurs, market makers, etc, transfer USDT between different entities through TRC20 network. USDT on TRC20 started to increase only after Ethereum gas fees got ridiculously high and it became too expensive to use even for pretty high volume market makers.

Absolutely not. Large Tron issuances started well before Ethereum gas fees soared. We are talking a couple of years ago.

Also, market makers moving Tether around do not give two shits about $60 in gas fees or whatever. Additionally, a huge amount of Tether has gone into DeFi on Ethereum and L2s (or bridged to newer L1s, which typically don't have a Tron bridge).

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