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Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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Not as much past discussion as I thought. I must have confused it with the water one.

Consider the Lobster (2004) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8407616 - Oct 2014 (48 comments)

David Foster Wallace, "Consider the Lobster." Aug 2004 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1562677 - July 2010 (1 comment)

Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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I loved the writing in this essay but disagree with the conclusion. Let's just say that I doubt that individually wrapped grocery store meats are apex civilization, and no human civilization every thrived without exploiting[1] animals. The exploitation has always been performed across the spectrum of cruelty[2], but the fact of it is incontrovertible. So the essential flaw in the logic, I think, is that, very unusual for DFW, he missed the more important widest context.

My favorite DFW essay (out of oh so many) is "Tense Present"[3]. I bought the Garner because of it. I've read it more than twice, and I very rarely read things more than once. I recommended it to a friend and she came back and said, "That's why you are the way you are, you're a snoot!". I laughed.

[1][4] "exploiting" chosen to make the meaning explicit.

[2] I try hard to minimize the cruelty in my practice; profit based exploitation rarely does. Neither does a pack of African wild dogs, nor the tarantula hawk dragging the much bigger tarantula across my yard.

[3] Possibly unreadable font, might be others out there: https://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-2001-...

[4] DFW correctly (yah, that's redundant) used 1 based footnote numbering.

Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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post #13

I loved the writing in this essay but disagree with the conclusion. Let's just say that I doubt that individually wrapped grocery store meats are apex civilization, and no human civilization every thrived without exploiting[1] animals. The exploitation has always been performed across the spectrum of cruelty[2], but the fact of it is incontrovertible. So the essential flaw in the logic, I think, is that, very unusual…

> My favorite DFW essay (out of oh so many) is "Tense Present"[3]. I bought the Garner because of it.

Thanks for the recommendation. I laughed out loud at this line:

> He's both a lawyer and a lexicographer (which seems a bit like being both a narcotics dealer and a DEA agent).

Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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The morality of meat consumption is something I've struggled with in the past as well. If I'm being completely honest the reason I've never stopped is simply convenience in both macro and micro nutrient availability. This has completely put me off lobster though, won't lie.

Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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This may be the most gen-x piece of writing ever.

It reminds me of early Simpson's episodes. The juxtapositions of pointless and detailed erudition, obvious humor and subtle satire, and breaking the fourth-wall moral mirror. It's equal parts brilliant, snarky and trivial.

I generally find DFW unbearably pretentious, but there is something sublime about an article like this getting published, with all of those footnotes, in a food magazine. Something about it reminds me of the performance art of Andy Kaufman.

It's strange to me that I've heard of this essay probably hundreds of times yet this was the first time I actually read it.

Re: Consider the Lobster (2004) [pdf]

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Great essay, I think this text started what eventually led to me reading infinite jest :)

If you get a chance, A Supposedly Fun Thing I’ll Never Do Again is really terrific too. I love Infinite Jest, but I think I love DFW’s essays even more. They are just the right length.

I found A Supposedly Fun Thing to be rather grating and self-congratulatory. In contrast, the essays in Consider the Lobster showed a better balance between restraint and indulgence.

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The whole book of essays is incredible. He wrote this just a few weeks after 9/11. I'm amazed it was published at the time. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/david-foster-wallace-on...

Not to veer too far off topic but had to take the chance to share Hunter Thompson’s piece he wrote the week after 9/11, which similarly, I’m surprised was published: https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751
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