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The team that powers VLC (2019)

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Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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VLC is by far the best media player in existence, and I'm extremely thankful for the team behind it. Gives me hope that this whole Foss thing is actually very good for the world.

I very much prefer mpv.

I also greatly prefer mpv, but I wouldn't recommend it to most people for the same reason I wouldn't recommend emacs to most people. To get the most out of it, you need to be able and inclined towards extending it. But if you are, it really kicks ass.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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You're arguing that MPC is better than VLC because of an issue you encountered 13 - almost 14 - years ago?

No, I'm pointing out that a better player already existed since the inception of VLC.

MPC is better? Maybe if you run windows. But if you don't then MPC isn't only not better, it's completely irrelevant. VLC on the other hand supports pretty much everything under the sun, so you can safely recommend it without playing the "what kind of computer do you have?" game.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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VLC is by far the best media player in existence, and I'm extremely thankful for the team behind it. Gives me hope that this whole Foss thing is actually very good for the world.

I very much prefer mpv.

Why? The GUI is simple, MPV needs learning CLI to play videos. https://www.migaku.io/tools-guides/migaku-mpv/guide/ and has drama like this. https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/cdaa496314f90412963...

I just want to play videos, what is the benefit of MPV? I used it for a while, because it was "better" but now I wonder "better how"?

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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There is also IINA that somehow seems more snappy/better-integrated on macOS.

IINA is basically a front-end for mpv. I use it. It's got nice features like force-touch support, but in my experience it's a memory hog—way worse than base mpv somehow.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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I always wonder why people go gaga googoo over VLC, when there's Media Player Classic with K-lite which does a lot of the same things better. I remember watching 1080p blurry rips in MPC without any problems in 2008 while VLC would spend 1 year doing some sort of buffering upon opening then struggling to play the video correctly.

Used to do the same with klite codec pack and a patch to play HD videos on windows. It wasn't "better" though, it was just what tutorials suggested you installed to play more videos.

VLC just works now, its on every platform, and I used it to run any video that MPC couldn't play. Then I just used it to play everything, and I can do that on every platform I use, they all have VLC.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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I very much prefer mpv.

Why? The GUI is simple, MPV needs learning CLI to play videos. https://www.migaku.io/tools-guides/migaku-mpv/guide/ and has drama like this. https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/cdaa496314f90412963... I just want to play videos, what is the benefit of MPV? I used it for a while, because it was "better" but now I wonder "better how"?

> MPV needs learning CLI to play videos.

It certainly does not. You can launch mpv by clicking/doubleclicking on any media file in your file manager, the same as any other. You can also drag media files to your mpv icon, or drag media files to a running mpv instance.

Edit: Also I don't know where you found that "migaku" guide, but it's crap. Why is guide written in english telling people to download a config file that sets Japanese as the default audio and subtitle language? Why the hell is it turning hardware decoding off by default? Also, sudo to curl into usr/local/bin/youtube-dl when you could just put yt-dlp/youtube-dl in the regular mpv configuration directory? Fucking... why?

Do yourself a favor and read the official documentation if you really want to give mpv a try.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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Why? The GUI is simple, MPV needs learning CLI to play videos. https://www.migaku.io/tools-guides/migaku-mpv/guide/ and has drama like this. https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/cdaa496314f90412963... I just want to play videos, what is the benefit of MPV? I used it for a while, because it was "better" but now I wonder "better how"?

> MPV needs learning CLI to play videos. It certainly does not. You can launch mpv by clicking/doubleclicking on any media file in your file manager, the same as any other. You can also drag media files to your mpv icon, or drag media files to a running mpv instance. Edit: Also I don't know where you found that "migaku" guide, but it's crap. Why is guide written in english telling people to download a config file tha…

If I want to change the speed in VLC, I can find the menu easily. There is a minimal GUI on MPV that doesn't show me anything for changing speed, it changes A-V delay when I try a -/+ command with CTRL, there is no right click menu, there is accessibility to helpful shortcuts that I shouldn't need to memorize keys for. Its minimalist for no good reason, has poor accessibility, and if I can't even find the help menu, what is the benefit of the design?

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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Well, I've personally always wondered why people advocate MPC. During like 15+ years of use I can't recall having a single issue with VLC. And that's from consuming basically everything from the VCD era and onwards. In my experience VLC has been as close to flawless software as one can get.

I dont think VLC is bad by any means or that anyone shouldn't use it, I just don't understand the comments I often see on HN acting like it's some unprecedented software that's unlike anything else.

VLC is unique in its support for every codec under the sun. If it refuses to play a video file, it's probably because it's damaged beyond recovery, or not a video file at all. The default Windows and smartphone video players choke on all kinds of files, so you can't really expect that any given file is supported.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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> MPV needs learning CLI to play videos. It certainly does not. You can launch mpv by clicking/doubleclicking on any media file in your file manager, the same as any other. You can also drag media files to your mpv icon, or drag media files to a running mpv instance. Edit: Also I don't know where you found that "migaku" guide, but it's crap. Why is guide written in english telling people to download a config file tha…

If I want to change the speed in VLC, I can find the menu easily. There is a minimal GUI on MPV that doesn't show me anything for changing speed, it changes A-V delay when I try a -/+ command with CTRL, there is no right click menu, there is accessibility to helpful shortcuts that I shouldn't need to memorize keys for. Its minimalist for no good reason, has poor accessibility, and if I can't even find the help menu,…

> There is a minimal GUI on MPV that doesn't show me anything for changing speed, it changes A-V delay when I try a -/+ command with CTRL, there is no right click menu, there is accessibility to helpful shortcuts that I shouldn't need to memorize keys for.

It is true that mpv usually doesn't have a GUI menu for this (I believe it does on MacOS, but lets ignore that.) However it's not true that doing so requires using a command line. Speed is changed using the [ and ] keys, which is documented in the manual. Obviously this is not friendly to novices, but it certainly does not require using the command line.

> Its minimalist for no good reason

It's minimal for a very good reason: because some people like it that way. Obviously it's not for everybody, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would never consider recommending it for everybody, but I object to the implicit assertion that all software must aspire to be good for everybody.

> what is the benefit of the design?

To you? Probably none. So I don't recommend it to you.

Re: The team that powers VLC (2019)

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MPC-HC is just as good as VLC and maybe a little less cluttered. It's Windows only of course, but if that isn't a limiting factor, then it's a very good alternative to VLC in my opinion.

From the home page: "MPC-HC is not under development since 2017. Please switch to something else."

It's still actively being developed, the author just created a new project page for it for some reason. You can find it at https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc
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