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Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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They refer to 'thousands of gallons of chain-and-bar oil... carried into the forests' every year Is this quantity significant?

By “significant” I take you to mean, “causing enough harm to be noticeable.” I don’t know the answer to that.

Consider that chainsaws are only one of many polluting tools that people use in forests, e.g., snowmobiles, generators, of course cars. There are many non-petroleum pollutants as well, like lead ammunition and trash. I believe it’s a useful practice to reduce harm from each of these as much as possible. That reduction might come from banning them outright to small changes like using vegetable oil as chainsaw lube.

The opposite approach is requiring harm to be demonstrated by each of these small things in order to encourage or require change. This has gotten us roughly to where we are now, with much wilderness in the country despoiled by human practices.

All of us are better served by being conservative in this context: by intentionally doing the least harmful things possible, and looking for ways to improve.

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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This does not jibe with my experiences or anybody I know's experiences, I think it needs more development. I've had friends who used vegetable oils then they dried out or worse turned rancid and gummed stuff up. Especially bad if a tool is left for a while, or in a hot place, though I guess this is not so much a problem in Europe. This doesn't seem like a significant enough problem to justify that anyway, "thousands…

If you look at history you'll find that animal and plant oils were used as lubricants for a long time, but were replaced by petroleum specifically because of those problems you noted.

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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They refer to 'thousands of gallons of chain-and-bar oil... carried into the forests' every year Is this quantity significant?

Or does it matter that the petroleum came from the forests, the deserts and some underseas equivalents? Petroleum is a natural thing. There are no doubt problems with the refined versions of petroleum but natural oils have issues too. The right solution might still be to ban petroleum oils from this job. But it seems foolish to pretend they are any less natural than vegetable oils.

It’s true that literally everything on Earth is natural by definition, either naturally-occurring or produced by natural forces like erosion or beavers or humans. But that’s tautological, and not interesting.

Refined petroleum does not occur naturally and is toxic to all life. Vegetable oils are produced by stepping on or chewing nuts or vegetables. There is no comparison.

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

#16

This does not jibe with my experiences or anybody I know's experiences, I think it needs more development. I've had friends who used vegetable oils then they dried out or worse turned rancid and gummed stuff up. Especially bad if a tool is left for a while, or in a hot place, though I guess this is not so much a problem in Europe. This doesn't seem like a significant enough problem to justify that anyway, "thousands…

Indeed, gas engines probably drip or exhaust more oil. Certainly 2 stroke chainsaws.

There's a rumor among cyclists that "3 in 1 oil" is bad for bikes because it contains vegetable oil that gums up. But cyclists will debate about oil for days.

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or does it matter that the petroleum came from the forests, the deserts and some underseas equivalents? Petroleum is a natural thing. There are no doubt problems with the refined versions of petroleum but natural oils have issues too. The right solution might still be to ban petroleum oils from this job. But it seems foolish to pretend they are any less natural than vegetable oils.

It’s true that literally everything on Earth is natural by definition, either naturally-occurring or produced by natural forces like erosion or beavers or humans. But that’s tautological, and not interesting. Refined petroleum does not occur naturally and is toxic to all life. Vegetable oils are produced by stepping on or chewing nuts or vegetables. There is no comparison.

> Vegetable oils are produced by stepping on or chewing nuts or vegetables.

Not really. Rapeseed/Canola oil in particular involves extensive use of solvents, bleaches, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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Some of my scuba diving friends go ice diving in Canadian lakes. They use chainsaws to cut access holes through the ice, and always lubricate those chainsaws with vegetable oil so as not to contaminate the water with petrochemicals.

Didn't even know that was a thing! Will have to look into getting the cert.

Re: Vegetable Oil for Lubricating Chainsaws (2008)

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This does not jibe with my experiences or anybody I know's experiences, I think it needs more development. I've had friends who used vegetable oils then they dried out or worse turned rancid and gummed stuff up. Especially bad if a tool is left for a while, or in a hot place, though I guess this is not so much a problem in Europe. This doesn't seem like a significant enough problem to justify that anyway, "thousands…

The article says it's not straight vegetable oil, but lubricants "based" on vegetable oil, specifically with additives to address oxidation (going rancid).
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