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US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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Typical cold war speak, but now one-sided and utterly hypocritical. First we surround you and take any opportunity to exploit your grievances with your neighbor countries and get them in our fold against you(while we're a country half the way around the world, which should have no business in the area), and then we accuse you...

Some of the "grievances" include military invasions and ongoing occupation. So... why did you decide to be a hypocrite too, what's the point?

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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When Russia attacks Ukraine, it would be the perfect time for China to attack Taiwan. It is essentially a middle-out tactic where the defense forces are split.

Russia needs Ukraine. China needs Taiwan. Both locations are perfect "control areas of the battlespace". Any military commander would recommend an attack.

The real issue would be direct force-on-force confrontations between Russia/US and/or China/US. So far the superpowers have avoided this and worked through proxy fights. Even in Syria the US was VERY careful to avoid Russian troops.

However, in Taiwan, there are US service personnel. I don't know but I suspect there are also US "advisors" in the Ukraine. Direct superpower attacks won't end well.

The situation will get wildly out of control VERY quickly.

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who invaded Ukraine, the USA? Russia has a long history of fucking it's neighbors. Why do you think the entirety of Eastern Europe wants nothing to do with them. You think they'll stop at Ukraine, their goal is to restore the Soviet Union and keep all these countries under their thumb. Even Putin says it was the biggest mistake in Russian history to allow the break up of their Empire. Putin is criminal and he is no f…

> their goal is to restore the Soviet Union More like, restore the buffer zone with defensible geographic barriers that the Soviet Union had. Russia’s geography is terrible for defense it being positioned in the “horde lands” which allow attacking armies to drive right through. Current Russian borders require huge armies to defend in a nation that is running out of suitable army personnel due to a terminally low birt…

> This move by Russia has long been expected, and it won’t stop at the Ukraine

will stop at nato borders or 99% of us will die.

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who invaded Ukraine, the USA? Russia has a long history of fucking it's neighbors. Why do you think the entirety of Eastern Europe wants nothing to do with them. You think they'll stop at Ukraine, their goal is to restore the Soviet Union and keep all these countries under their thumb. Even Putin says it was the biggest mistake in Russian history to allow the break up of their Empire. Putin is criminal and he is no f…

Please don't try to sell us the US boys as saints. They ain't. Very much the opposite.

I find this comment distasteful.

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #16
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't try to sell us the US boys as saints. They ain't. Very much the opposite.

I find this comment distasteful.

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Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #11
post #4

Typical cold war speak, but now one-sided and utterly hypocritical. First we surround you and take any opportunity to exploit your grievances with your neighbor countries and get them in our fold against you(while we're a country half the way around the world, which should have no business in the area), and then we accuse you...

Some of the "grievances" include military invasions and ongoing occupation. So... why did you decide to be a hypocrite too, what's the point?

The hypocrisy is already in characterizing them out of context as "military invasions and ongoing occupation".

As opposed to: "The US had continued to streghten the knot around Russia ever since the 90s, getting into bed with nearby countries to suffocate it, in areas which the US has no national disputes and no business of being there. In one those endeavours, after sponsoring and supporting several 'orange revolution' attempts, it helped topple the legitimate, elected government of Ukraine, and establish a new government with literal -not metaphorical, actual- neo-nazis in power. Russia, then, went in an area of Ukraine that has long historical roots to Russia, and a majority of population of Russian ethnicity, and annexed it".

The US has toppled governments, bombed countries, and supported dictatorships all around the globe for much less -- even for just considering to nationalize oil or make changes affecting its business interests there (aka "banana republics").

And this, to contrast, is in Russia's border, with a Russian ethnic population, and an unfavorable government, in an area which used to be part of Russia proper back (way before USSR).

Kind of like if Baja California had 65% americans, and the USSR had helped topple mexico's government with a pro-USSR coalition featuring neo-nazis, all the while orchestrating nearby countries (Canada, Panama, whatever), to be part of the Warsaw Pact.

So, the US allows 100% (of aggression, invasions, etc.) to itself all around the globe, and then cries if Russia does 10% of that in its own borders and/or where there's Russian population.

And then US citizens, always "informed", go on about Russia being worse, or at least equivalent, and anybody pointing otherwise is doing 'whataboutism'.

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their goal is to restore the Soviet Union More like, restore the buffer zone with defensible geographic barriers that the Soviet Union had. Russia’s geography is terrible for defense it being positioned in the “horde lands” which allow attacking armies to drive right through. Current Russian borders require huge armies to defend in a nation that is running out of suitable army personnel due to a terminally low birt…

> This move by Russia has long been expected, and it won’t stop at the Ukraine will stop at nato borders or 99% of us will die.

> will stop at nato borders

We’ll see whether NATO is worth the paperwork. The US is in a bipartisan starkly anti-interventionist mood of late and may not want to come to Europe’s aid which should defend itself.

Re: US believes Russia could invade Ukraine ‘as soon as early 2022’

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This move by Russia has long been expected, and it won’t stop at the Ukraine will stop at nato borders or 99% of us will die.

> will stop at nato borders We’ll see whether NATO is worth the paperwork. The US is in a bipartisan starkly anti-interventionist mood of late and may not want to come to Europe’s aid which should defend itself.

When has the US ever been anti-war?
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