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Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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Except the PS3, which is a pretty good Blu-ray/Netflix/DLNA player and probably had problems with low attach rate in the first few years.

$300 is a pretty expensive blu-ray and streaming player.

It is now, but when the PS3 first came out it was one of the cheapest blu-ray players available.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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I wonder why it's so expensive to run the thing? I mean, it should be pretty cheap to deliver small applications like that. Maybe the labor to check all the new apps?

i frankly wonder if there isnt some form of holywood accounting going on so their 30% cut can be "justified".

As an example of how this could be done, the App Store business could be internally charged a large license fee for the use of the Apple brand.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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Why would OEMs license a dead OS over android? It would have to be a better ecosystem than android which I don't see happening after hp dropped it themselves.

But HP hasn't dropped the OS, just the hardware. They still are invested in the software, they just don't want to make the hardware. At least that's what VP of Developer Relations has said. http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-work-of-webos-con...

If they really want the OS to keep going, then they were idiots not to partner with a hardware vendor and get new devices out the day they killed their own. Horrible move.

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A downvote on a contributor can be, and frequently is, a vote of disagreement, regardless of how well intentioned and expressed the contributor was.

Hiding a valuable contribution because you disagree with it probably isn't the intended purpose of the system. Hiding something that lessens the quality of the conversation, independent of the skew it takes, makes more sense. It doesn't matter what the common practice is. What matters is preserving the integrity of the discussion.

If it's heavily down-voted, then it's probably not conspicuously valuable. Indeed, that's exactly the point.

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Dump the TIPS man.

> Dump the TIPS man. I had some USD, didn't see any good buys, and wanted to stay liquid in USD. I figured inflation was definitely coming, so even if interest rates rose (unlikely anyways, but the only real risk) it'd likely be cancelled by the inflation premium. The bonds appreciated around 7% in four months, so it worked out okay.

The big problem with TIPS is that the government gooses the CPI formula to understate inflation, so they're really providing an (inflation - n%) return, not an (inflation + n%) return. That being said, I also own a small amount of them.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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Whoever made this decision should be fired. "We took a $100m loss on the first batch of TouchPads, what's a couple million more?"

No, it's whomever decided to set the price at $100 who should be fired. This excessive demand shows that they could easily have charged $150 or maybe even $200 for the 16GB version, and still gone through their supply, with less hassle for retailers, and less of a loss.

There is a such a thing as a demand curve. I bought the $100 one.

Here's how I'd think about

$100 -- I'd Bite $110 -- I'd Bite $120 -- Okay $130 -- Uh, maybe. I'll flip a coin. $140 -- It's an okay deal. I might pass. $150 -- I'd probably pass.

That's my curve. Others have their own curve. If everyone is like me, which they're not, $125 is probably the right price point. I can't imagine spending $200 or even $150 for webOS.

Here's to there being an Android release in the next month or so!

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I might note that Microsoft lost money on every XBox initially. But gaming was a different business.

A business where they can extract enormous licensing fees from content sold at a much higher price point.

You are quite right. iPad apps have a much lower price point. Apple could have extracted significantly more rent if they hadn't allowed free apps.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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But HP hasn't dropped the OS, just the hardware. They still are invested in the software, they just don't want to make the hardware. At least that's what VP of Developer Relations has said. http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-work-of-webos-con...

If they really want the OS to keep going, then they were idiots not to partner with a hardware vendor and get new devices out the day they killed their own. Horrible move.

Agreed. Their actions made no sense. I suspect management were planning to just throw it all away, but the WebOS Developers begged for a chance to make the software viable on more than just the desktop on their printers (printers?! seriously?!!). This is more or less backed up in the news about the announcements, in which nobody but the very upper management knew it was happening until all the tech blogs were reporting it. The explosion of sales from the reduced price was probably enough to buy the WebOS team some time.

Just my speculation though. All around terrible, terrible decisions with regards to WebOS, the Touchpad and the Pre3. It's been really amazing to see just how badly HP keeps handling all this. I do hope it won't spell the end for WebOS though, as I honestly think it's a contender against iOS, which is something I don't personally think about Android.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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Given that the tablets are still fetching that price on eBay right now, over a week after the firesale started, I think that's exactly the price they need to hit. The tablet simply had no demand at $500+, but at $250, people are willing to buy in. $250 for what is essentially a handy, high-tech toy is about right. Plus, HP wouldn't be senselessly bleeding so much cash. Ebay sales show up people are clearly willing to…

Based on some TouchPad teardowns, manufacturing a TouchPad costs about $318 in parts plus $10 in labor. If HP sold TouchPads for $250, they would "only" lose $68. http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carr...

Right, but recouping a $68-118 loss is more feasible than recouping a $168-218 loss. There's a decent markup on their accessories and the potential for app sales. If it drives enough demand and gets companies licensing their OS and selling hardware running it, they have a chance to make it work, and it's probably money better spent than any advertising they do. Look at it this way; before the fire sale, how often did you see stories written about the Touchpad and how many people did you know that bought or wanted to buy one? And how many stories and interested consumers did you see after the fire sale? Food for thought.

Time will tell if they can pull it off though.

Re: HP to produce one more batch of Touchpads

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I find this really annoying. I already wasted too much time trying to get one in the first round. Now I am supposed to waste time again? I actually considered setting up a web service for companies doing such a thing. I think the proper way would be to create a lottery where everybody could register in peace and there would be a couple of lucky winners. A similar thing happened with sparkfun electronics when they off…

Woot.com has a "woot off" every few weeks, and one of the items that goes on sale at a random time during the day is a "bag of crap". For $8, you're promised they'll send you 3 leftover products from their warehouse. Some people have gotten really expensive products, like large LCD TVs and laptop computers, so everyone's willing to give it a try for $8.

Every few weeks, without fail, before and after Amazon acquired the company, the site goes down as a hundred thousand people refresh the page trying to get the order form to load when that item is for sale. It's very frustrating and there are thousands of posts in their forums every time it happens from people that were there and tried to buy but couldn't get the order form to load before it sold out.

A lottery would be better.

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