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Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp?

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Re: Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp?

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As I noted above, if we had UBI to cover bare essentials, we wouldn't need a minimum wage. That's basically what Walmart abuses anyways via the welfare system; it's almost a subsidy to make their model kind of glue-together in the end. Let's just make it explicit. Pass UBI, repeal minimum wage laws.

Just look at the chaos being cause by COVID bucks right now - fast food joints offering $15 an hour and $500 signing bonuses and still having no takers. That anyone has the guts to still be pushing UBI when we can see how a limited UBI with the current government handouts are utterly destroying the current labor market is beyond reprehensible.

First, COVID bucks stopped quite a while ago (September at the latest)

It's not destroying anything, it's giving labor bargaining power back versus capital. Yes, it's harder to hire workers at $X/hour when they have alternatives. That's the whole point of UBI.

Also note that pre-handouts, the companies were hiring workers for $10/hour, now they're willing to pay $15/hour with bonus (and can't find anyone). What that means is that companies actually had room to pay much higher than they were actually paying (and still make sufficient profit) - so the previous wage was not a fair market wage, but was rather exploitation; which the article goes into below:

"Labor markets in capitalist economies are fundamentally tilted against individual workers’ ability to bargain effectively with employers. Policy does not have to be rigged for employers to give them particular clout in labor markets; instead, the very nature of these labor markets gives them clout. In the past, when economic growth was broadly shared across the population, it was because policymakers understood this basic asymmetry and used policy levers to bolster the leverage and bargaining power of workers. Conversely, recent decades’ rise of inequality and anemic wage growth has resulted from a stripping away of these policy bulwarks to workers’ labor market power."

https://www.epi.org/publication/what-labor-market-changes-ha...

Re: Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp?

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post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I noted above, if we had UBI to cover bare essentials, we wouldn't need a minimum wage. That's basically what Walmart abuses anyways via the welfare system; it's almost a subsidy to make their model kind of glue-together in the end. Let's just make it explicit. Pass UBI, repeal minimum wage laws.

Just look at the chaos being cause by COVID bucks right now - fast food joints offering $15 an hour and $500 signing bonuses and still having no takers. That anyone has the guts to still be pushing UBI when we can see how a limited UBI with the current government handouts are utterly destroying the current labor market is beyond reprehensible.

Additionally: "This collapse of worker power has been overwhelmingly driven by conscious policy decisions that have intentionally undercut institutions and standards that previously bolstered the economic leverage and bargaining power of typical workers; it was not driven simply by apolitical market forces."

(Same source)

Re: Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp?

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A change in real dollars still affects lower income folks more because a higher percentage of income is devoted towards basics. Inflation reduces purchasing power for all, but some categories of spending cannot be substituted or eliminated. U.S. households with higher incomes spend more money on food, but the amount spent represents a smaller overall portion of their budgets. In 2020, households in the lowest income…

So, you're saying that for every dollar taken from the poor (to be redistributed to the working poor), we'd be taking three dollars from the rich (to again, be redistributed to the working poor)? That seems to support my point that raising the minimum wage disproportionately helps the working poor.

Key word is proportionate. Inflation disproportionately affects those with low income. The affects are not linear—look at the difference in pct income to food in lowest quintile compared to others. A dollar from the lowest quintile is objectively more valuable in purchasing power than three dollars is to the highest.

It’s akin to the company town giving a buck more in wages but charging 2 more in groceries. Sure you make “more,” but since you can buy less of what you need, you are effectively making less.

https://www.econlib.org/library/Topics/HighSchool/RealvsNomi...

Re: Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp?

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My company typically gives everyone half days on Fridays from Memorial Day to Labor Day (and most people only put in a token amount of work - if that - on those Fridays - no meetings are allowed to be scheduled on any Friday of the year). This year, in addition to that, they gave everyone every Friday off for the month of July. And... the company still functioned just fine. We run on sprints and we finished just as m…

I have the opposite experience at my company. We are given half days on summer Fridays. However, because the workload and client communications were not reduced, 80% of weeks the junior team members would take off, and myself and other senior members would not only have to unofficially work the full Friday, but also take on the work of the rest of the team.
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