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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by gonzo »

breakfastduck wrote: post #57
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

> Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet.

In a word: yes. But I was 10 or 11 years old before we had a color TV.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by nitrogen »

cassianoleal wrote: post #226
nitrogen wrote: post #208

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How many software developers and authors are there? Time was when 100,000 units a year was enough to make a highly successful company. When did we decide that only trillion dollar companies were worth considering? At that point we lose economies of scale and get into rent seeking. We'd all be much better off with a hundred $xxB companies than one or two $xT companies.

How many developers and authors have a workflow that doesn't include a GUI with a pointer? I for one would not like to go back to terminal-only. There's a lot to be gained from decent graphical interfaces, and having them smooth makes working on them more pleasing, which reduces my stress and allows me to be more productive.

LCDs of the 1990s had ghosting, and this was solved with pointer trails and other accessibility features, like disabling animations. People should be able to make the choice of outdoor visibility versus update smoothness.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

intrasight wrote: post #162

What would be the benefit of this over a quality OLED monitor?

If you are in context in which it is preferable to have * light reflecting instead of light emitting, and/or * bistable instead of kept on through energy.

Some people use EPD at midday, black on white under the sun, and OLED at midnight, white on black ("off") in the dark.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by ev1 »

tata71 wrote: post #183
cgb223 wrote: post #171

I own a Boox Note Air 2. Bought it when I was looking for a large screen eReader for the technical epubs and pdfs I’ve amassed over the years that require a big screen (big pages on the pdfs) pros and cons of this company are pretty clear Pros are that they have large eReaders and support any file format They also run android so if you use an app like Pocket or an RSS feed to read articles, they work well enough Cons…

> insecure Compared to...running Play Services? Doubt.

security, privacy, and anonymity are separate concepts

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

rbanffy wrote: post #221
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No. There are no products in this space that can compete with the midrange LCD displays. Then how can you make such claims? You're just blowing smoke at this point. My take: The are no such products because nobody would buy them, that's why nobody makes them. If you think the market is wrong, and there's such a huge demand waiting for a product that doesn't yet exist, why not put your money where your mouth is and g…

> Genuine question: do you have any industry experience working with e-ink displays No. I’m doing math. A 200dpi panel has 4 times more components per area than a 100dpi one. You can check it, if you are not sure. Do you have experience with e-ink panel manufacture?

>No. I’m doing math. A 200dpi panel has 4 times more components per area than a 100dpi one. You can check it, if you are not sure.

Defect rates don't scale linearly to density IRL as you assume, and the type of defects changes as well. This is not the same as semiconductor manufacturing though plenty of parallels can be drawn.

>Do you have experience with e-ink panel manufacture?

I have deep insight in this industry due to my development experience with this tech. So the manufacturers tutor us on the nitty gritty details of the tech which stem from the manufacturing limitations, as my employers are making expensive purchases from them.

Of course, you are free to believe that I'm wrong and your kindergarten math is the answer to a profitable product to which the industry are completely oblivious too.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by dont__panic »

tata71 wrote: post #184
cgb223 wrote: post #171

I own a Boox Note Air 2. Bought it when I was looking for a large screen eReader for the technical epubs and pdfs I’ve amassed over the years that require a big screen (big pages on the pdfs) pros and cons of this company are pretty clear Pros are that they have large eReaders and support any file format They also run android so if you use an app like Pocket or an RSS feed to read articles, they work well enough Cons…

This is the sort of device you either replace the OS, or put on a segregated network.

I use NetGuard on mine to prevent it from phoning home, and restrict internet connections to Firefox and a couple of other apps that I trust. I also mostly use mine with wifi off, since it's an ereader/notetaking device that doesn't need to constantly drain battery via wireless internet.

I am a little nervous about the trustworthiness of Onyx, but at the same time... I don't really trust my smart TV, or my old Kindle, or visiting friend's Windows laptops either. So I guess it's kinda moot.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by karmakaze »

> *Please confirm your ports (USB Type-C and HDMI) support secondary monitors by connecting your devices to another monitor first. AMD GPUs are not supported for now.

I have no mental model of what this device is. Apparently it's not a display in the normal sense. Perhaps what's sent via HDMI/USB-C are effectively control signals rather than the colors/shades you want that get you the shades you want accounting for the response characteristics of the eInk display. What I'd like is for any of this extra logic to be in the device itself and not in software that requires installation and updates to keep working with OS updates, or other OSes altogether.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by the_pwner224 »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #215
the_pwner224 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is now built in to newer versions of Android (I think 11+, and AppleOS may also have it).

where would the settings for that be? accessibility?

On my phone it's Settings => Display => LiveDisplay => Reading mode ("Grayscale mode for long-term reading"). I can also add a reading mode toggle button to the quick settings in the notification bar.

The search box in Settings will probably find it if you search for gray or reading.

This is on LineageOS 18 (Android 11), though I recall it being mentioned in some Google events/announcements so I'm 99% sure it's a core Android feature and not something specific to LOS.

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Post by totony »

karmakaze wrote: post #237

> *Please confirm your ports (USB Type-C and HDMI) support secondary monitors by connecting your devices to another monitor first. AMD GPUs are not supported for now. I have no mental model of what this device is. Apparently it's not a display in the normal sense. Perhaps what's sent via HDMI/USB-C are effectively control signals rather than the colors/shades you want that get you the shades you want accounting for t…

e-ink has some special sync settings (where it's a tradeoff between speed and ghosting). Probably what usb is used for. You can also aprtially refresh the screen&stuff. Probably easier to do it in software.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by Kaibeezy »

nsxwolf wrote: post #185
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

In this day and age it's pretty hard to imagine a use case for a work laptop that completely excludes multimedia. No Zoom calls? No online learning videos? I think most workers today would hit a brick wall pretty quick if this was their only display.

Zoom or watch videos on their phones? They’re carrying one anyway.
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