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Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it.

For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.

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Post by throwaway81523 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #12

So now Carlsen is heavily encouraged to play for a draw in the next 8 games?

More or less yes, except it's 9 more games. The match ends if someone reaches 7.5 points, and Magnus now has 3, so with 9 more draws he wins the match by 7.5 to 6.5. Going into the last game the score is 7-6 so if Nepo wins then the match is tied and goes into tiebreaks.

CORRECTION (see below): this was game 6, not game 5 (I had lost count), so current score is 3.5 to 2.5, and there are potentially 8 classical games left.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

loh wrote: post #17
I_complete_me wrote: post #4

Well done to Magnus. To Ian. To the commentators. This was an unbelievable 'play' in three acts. A game for the chess books. Great quality match so far and I hope Ian comes back from this blow and makes a fight of it. I believe he will.

It was an absolutely incredible match to watch live. Historical. My jaw dropped when Magnus ignored his rook being attacked at the end in favor of the potential fork with his knight. It is ultimately what led to the sure win.

The match was already lost at that point. Two moves before that, Stockfish 14 has mate in 49.

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Post by typon »

I know that because Magnus won, people will be heaping praise on him. But it is incredible how well Ian kept playing engine move after engine move to defend in the end game, while trying to keep time. Unbelievable the level of chess that's being played here.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by perihelions »

wadkar wrote: post #13

Vishy Sir during the end game commentary said that the engines say it’ll be a draw. Where/which move did Ian make the mistake? Anyways, hats off to everyone involved. Magnus, Ian, commenters, and the chess twitterati. What a game! ~8hrs!!!

130...Qe6 was the "mistake" (if one dares call it that!) I don't think any commentators expected Nepomniachtchi to actually hold this mathematical draw; it's superhuman. (I was certainly rooting for him though!)

https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=4k3/8/8/4PR2/5P2/6NK/q7/8%20...

>"From May to August 2018 Bojun Guo generated 7-piece tables. The 7-piece tablebase contains 423,836,835,667,331 unique legal positions in about 18 Terabytes."

https://syzygy-tables.info/

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by boomboomsubban »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #22
boomboomsubban wrote: post #12

So now Carlsen is heavily encouraged to play for a draw in the next 8 games?

More or less yes, except it's 9 more games. The match ends if someone reaches 7.5 points, and Magnus now has 3, so with 9 more draws he wins the match by 7.5 to 6.5. Going into the last game the score is 7-6 so if Nepo wins then the match is tied and goes into tiebreaks. CORRECTION (see below): this was game 6, not game 5 (I had lost count), so current score is 3.5 to 2.5, and there are potentially 8 classical games…

I'm only aware of this through this post, but the website says Carlsen now has 3.5 points. So 8 draws.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by jstx1 »

loh wrote: post #17
I_complete_me wrote: post #4

Well done to Magnus. To Ian. To the commentators. This was an unbelievable 'play' in three acts. A game for the chess books. Great quality match so far and I hope Ian comes back from this blow and makes a fight of it. I believe he will.

It was an absolutely incredible match to watch live. Historical. My jaw dropped when Magnus ignored his rook being attacked at the end in favor of the potential fork with his knight. It is ultimately what led to the sure win.

That specific moment is actually pretty basic. You're right that it was a great match to watch though.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by junar »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #22
boomboomsubban wrote: post #12

So now Carlsen is heavily encouraged to play for a draw in the next 8 games?

More or less yes, except it's 9 more games. The match ends if someone reaches 7.5 points, and Magnus now has 3, so with 9 more draws he wins the match by 7.5 to 6.5. Going into the last game the score is 7-6 so if Nepo wins then the match is tied and goes into tiebreaks. CORRECTION (see below): this was game 6, not game 5 (I had lost count), so current score is 3.5 to 2.5, and there are potentially 8 classical games…

This was Game 6. Magnus leads 3.5 to 2.5. There are only 8 more classical games remaining.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by throwaway81523 »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #11
initialized wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lots of games at this level result in draws, this was a win.

I wonder if this is a limitation on how humans conceptualize Chess. Do games played with computers either vs human or another computer frequently end in draws? If not, maybe there is some insight to be gained to raise high level play even more.

Engine games (you can watch them at tcec-chess.com and some are terrific) with the standard starting position are almost always drawn. Engine tournaments are usually played instead with human selected, unbalanced openings designed to produce an exciting game with lower likelihood of a draw. The unbalanced opening intentionally gives one side (black or white) an advantage, so each opening is used twice, with each engine playing one game as black and one as white, to balance things out. The games are usually drawn anyway, with some occasional exciting wins. The top human players now study engine games closely, and play more like engines themselves. Very few mistakes => more draws.

It's unknown what would happen if a top human with serious preparation played against a modern engine. They'd have basically no chance of winning and a fairly low chance of a draw, with the unknown being "how low is fairly low". My wild-ass guess is maybe 1 game in 10 when the human has the white pieces and much lower with the black pieces. There is not much chess theory about what happens when a human plays a game from the beginning aiming for a draw, even though they do that all the time in real chess. It is something of a gap in the "literature".

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