Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

shop.boox.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 266 posts

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#221

Post by rbanffy »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #187
rbanffy wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have a source for these claims? No. There are no products in this space that can compete with the midrange LCD displays. > So I think, that market you think of, exists only for you. I'm sure Boox would be happy to be able to sell a 24" 1920x1200 display for $200, if they had an adequate supply of panels. > That's not how yealds work here. If you increase feature size, you, usually, have fewer defects. A 20"…

>No. There are no products in this space that can compete with the midrange LCD displays. Then how can you make such claims? You're just blowing smoke at this point. My take: The are no such products because nobody would buy them, that's why nobody makes them. If you think the market is wrong, and there's such a huge demand waiting for a product that doesn't yet exist, why not put your money where your mouth is and g…

> Genuine question: do you have any industry experience working with e-ink displays

No. I’m doing math. A 200dpi panel has 4 times more components per area than a 100dpi one. You can check it, if you are not sure.

Do you have experience with e-ink panel manufacture?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#222

Post by cestith »

mdp2021 wrote: post #105
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or, an EPD tablet with the ability to use more than Android... This is my hope with the future PineNote running a Linux distro.

Mind you, Android can be pretty effective on the tablet for some tasks. But when you will want to use a complete Office Automation suite, instead of the more toyish mobile alternatives... What I finally did, this June, was: I coded my own word processor for Android. A dual boot system (Android vs Linux Desktop) would be the best solution.

I used to run a full Debian chroot on Android. It was very handy except that if you ran it on an unrooted Android device you couldn't be a user with full root capabilities. But gcc, make, tar, gzip, and git worked well enough to compile working stacks for other languages (the first software I built on it was Perl from source) as a regular user. Thousands of packages available and the ability to build from source, right on my phone in my pocket. They had other distros for it, too. Unfortunately that project - GNURoot - seems abandoned. Possibly fortunately a new one is from the same maintainers. I think I never used X on it. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula&hl=en...

There's another called Debian noroot (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu...) that appears fairly up to date but I haven't tried it. It's well rated but said to be slow. It includes XFCE and apparently starts it by default. It uses PRoot.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=studio.com.tec... is yet another, and also uses PRoot. I have concerns about their page saying they have closed-source modded versions of F/OSS operating system distros though, and that they'll only provide source to developers who register with them. That's kind of unneighborly if they're customizing BSD or Apache licensed portions of a distro and illegal if they're doing it with GPL or LGPL portions.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#223

Post by BostonEnginerd »

NoGravitas wrote: post #175
BostonEnginerd wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their devices look really neat, but I don't think I can bring myself to buy one until they resolve their GPL violations. https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/fz4yka/max3_revi...

Maybe someone can convince Naomi Wu to go visit their office in person like she did for Umidigi.

I saw the original video on the Twitters, but didn't check out the followup until now. I'm thrilled that her visit worked and that the files were posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj04MKykmnQ

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#224

Post by sieabahlpark »

tata71 wrote: post #183
cgb223 wrote: post #171

I own a Boox Note Air 2. Bought it when I was looking for a large screen eReader for the technical epubs and pdfs I’ve amassed over the years that require a big screen (big pages on the pdfs) pros and cons of this company are pretty clear Pros are that they have large eReaders and support any file format They also run android so if you use an app like Pocket or an RSS feed to read articles, they work well enough Cons…

> insecure Compared to...running Play Services? Doubt.

Oh yes, the CCP and Play services are exactly identical.

Thanks for your incredible insight

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#225

Post by cestith »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #160
mdp2021 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen The Lenovo ThinkBook Plus has an E-Ink display on the outer side - but I think it remains an outer side.

Yes, that's the deal breaker. If I can't type with the keyboard, or if I have to add some additional keyboard for mobility, it gets very cluncky.

At the same time, there have been so many convertible tablet/laptop systems that either have the pivot at the bottom center of the screen or less commonly a screen that turns over between two arms on the sides that it's hard to believe someone couldn't do the same with a two-sided screen enclosure.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#226

Post by cassianoleal »

nitrogen wrote: post #208
cassianoleal wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a fair use-case but I suspect it's a _very rare_ one, which probably answers the initial question: > how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this?

How many software developers and authors are there? Time was when 100,000 units a year was enough to make a highly successful company. When did we decide that only trillion dollar companies were worth considering? At that point we lose economies of scale and get into rent seeking. We'd all be much better off with a hundred $xxB companies than one or two $xT companies.

How many developers and authors have a workflow that doesn't include a GUI with a pointer?

I for one would not like to go back to terminal-only. There's a lot to be gained from decent graphical interfaces, and having them smooth makes working on them more pleasing, which reduces my stress and allows me to be more productive.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#227

Post by DoingIsLearning »

nitrogen wrote: post #207
vzaliva wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would prefer a modular laptop where I can swap between OLED and liquid paper screens. Just snap another screen before going to work in a park.

Does the framework laptop have a modular display option?

No I specifically ask this to one of the founders and the display is not customizable unlike the rest.

You get the reflective non matte display and according there were no plans for a matte or EPD option.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#228

Post by DoingIsLearning »

JoelMcCracken wrote: post #179
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

how does this criticism not apply to monitors or tablets, which boox already makes?

Yeah, a lot of negative comments, from people coming up with all sorts of multimedia use cases, when there is clearly a market gap and plenty of people that want work houses without multimedia capability.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#229

Post by oblak »

Man, I can't wait for something like e-ink to become usable as an actual 120Hz monitor. I've been sitting in front of shitty screens my entire life. Give display that do not shine and you could play games on.

Won't happen in my life though

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#230

Post by mdp2021 »

cestith wrote: post #222
mdp2021 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind you, Android can be pretty effective on the tablet for some tasks. But when you will want to use a complete Office Automation suite, instead of the more toyish mobile alternatives... What I finally did, this June, was: I coded my own word processor for Android. A dual boot system (Android vs Linux Desktop) would be the best solution.

I used to run a full Debian chroot on Android. It was very handy except that if you ran it on an unrooted Android device you couldn't be a user with full root capabilities. But gcc, make, tar, gzip, and git worked well enough to compile working stacks for other languages (the first software I built on it was Perl from source) as a regular user. Thousands of packages available and the ability to build from source, rig…

https://github.com/guysoft/cuntubuntu

...But that seems to be a fork, last updated in 2013 of

https://github.com/pelya/debian-noroot

which was updated in 2020.

I'd love to test that on the Onyx Boox Max2 plus BT keyboard... I will try it and see what can be done with it.

Post reply on HN