Condo Association Bans Owners from Parking EVs in the Garage

Post by wing-_-nuts » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #16

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #13

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Why are you more concerned about EV fires when gas fires have been a thing for the past century? We had a parked car go up in flames at work and nobody was calling for the company to ban ice cars.

Parked ICE cars _rarely_ catch fire just sitting parked. When they do it's usually electrical system issues that started a larger fire (I'm looking at you, VW, Audi). Battery fires commonly occur while at rest. More importantly, they can't be put out (and are accelerated) by common indoor sprinkler systems and the toxic fumes will keep you from getting close enough to use a Class D extinguisher anyway. Much unlike IC…

Post by busterarm » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #21

busterarm wrote: post #16

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Parked ICE cars _rarely_ catch fire just sitting parked. When they do it's usually electrical system issues that started a larger fire (I'm looking at you, VW, Audi). Battery fires commonly occur while at rest. More importantly, they can't be put out (and are accelerated) by common indoor sprinkler systems and the toxic fumes will keep you from getting close enough to use a Class D extinguisher anyway. Much unlike IC…

EV cars rarely catch fire also? If I'm mistaken, and EV fires are endemic or something, please post a source that lays out the fire rates between ev and ice cars. I think banning them is a stupid, ignorant solution in search of a problem, and I don't own one, nor will I for the foreseeable future. Edit: study here: https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/gas-vs-electric-car-fires/

Post by nielsbot » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

teeray wrote: post #20

nielsbot wrote: post #17

Wonder if EVs could come with built-in extinguishers... maybe just for the battery compartment. Would CO2 work? Probably not remotely practical.

With lithium battery fires, you need to both extinguish the fire and cool the battery. They’re like those trick birthday candles. Water is usually best at both jobs. What would be better is a charger hooked up to a standpipe with orifices in the car to extinguish and cool the batteries.

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #4

tssva wrote: post #2

I'm not saying I agree with the condo association but I am confused by the counterpoint the article author tries to make. Their response is regarding the odds of an EV catching fire vs the odds of a ICE catching fire. They even state that if the odds of an ICE catching fire is equal or greater than an EV than ICE's should also be banned. But the associations argument against EVs in the garage isn't based mainly aroun…

The article is an example of twisting stats and data to make a false or misleading point. The author (who owns Tesla stock, according to the bio) is claiming that ICE cars are more likely to catch on fire. Perhaps, but irrelevant. The condo is not concerned with what happens out on the road. But it is very concerned about what happens while parked in the garage, and EVs are more likely to combust in the garage than I…

Post by nielsbot » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #24

teeray wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With lithium battery fires, you need to both extinguish the fire and cool the battery. They’re like those trick birthday candles. Water is usually best at both jobs. What would be better is a charger hooked up to a standpipe with orifices in the car to extinguish and cool the batteries.

> With lithium battery fires, you need to both extinguish the fire and cool the battery. They’re like those trick birthday candles. Water is usually best at both jobs. What would be better is a charger hooked up to a standpipe with orifices in the car to extinguish and cool the batteries. No, this is stupid. Lithium, the main component of this battery chemistry, reacts _intensely_ with water, producing both lithium h…