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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by misja111 »

zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I have a Boox Note and the excessive screen refreshes are really annoying there as well. But I'm impressed by the part in the demo where they show the playing of a video, this works pretty smoothly and I don't see any flickering.

Now I'm wondering why those screen refreshes in 'normal' apps are needed? Is this just some artifact because the apps were written for normal displays and haven't been adjusted for e-ink?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by hajile »

They need OLED.

Put the transparent OLED layer on top of the E-ink.

Now you can use E-ink for your static content or the OLED when you need dynamic content.

E-ink saves a lot of the OLED burn-in (which is at it's worst with white background) while OLED gives the ability to do more/better colors and fast response times.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by abalaji »

zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

Maybe I haven't kept up with the eink market but this seems super impressive especially the video part around 14:33. I have a Remarkable and it's pretty slow to switch pages but I assume that's to prevent ghosting. With a little bit of computer vision magic, they might be able to add a content aware feature that swaps the modes based on what's being displayed.

https://youtu.be/oBfWkxOfUfQ?t=873

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by daneel_w »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

Are you implying that contrast and color is disrupting your focus, and that full-screen flicker during movement increases your focus?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by patentatt »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

A lot of counterpoints here, how about a half normal display, half e-ink? Left side of the monitor is LCD m, and the right side is e-ink. Might be a bit cramped for some use cases, might work for others. Or, how about a rollable, flexible OLED that can dynamically roll out and cover more and more of the e-ink display, so that you could roll out the OLED when needed, or tuck it in when you want full e-ink?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

ranit wrote: post #144
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

And these days: if it cannot make video calls it is not a computer for work.

A YouTube search for "Hisense A5 pro cc video call" did not return precise results, but some can be suggestive of the possibilities. See for example

Title: Hisense A5Pro CC Review 3- Battery, Videos & Games | Eink Kaleido 1 handling fast scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqASRsIWVw

Some would find those results jawdropping. I presume that Video Calls using E-Ink displays are now much more than possible.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by criddell »

keewee7 wrote: post #123

>Onyx Boox is a brand of e-book reader produced by Onyx International Inc, based in China China is the only country innovating right now. The rest of the world really needs to start building combined manufacturing and innovation hubs like Shenzhen.

Isn't Onyx one of the more famous GPL violators? Maybe innovation is easier when you let others do the R&D and you just use it.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by clessg »

fho wrote: post #131
clessg wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite part of that example is the language it's written in :) I'm sold!

I had to look that up ... is that Euphoria ? As stated above, I think that how the code is structured also heavily influences readability. Maybe even more than syntax highlighting. Case in point: I was fortunate enough to work on a Haskell project some time ago ... and one of my colleagues from another team at asked me how I manage to make my code look that concise. No secret there, it is just pretty easy if the lang…

> I had to look that up ... is that Euphoria?

It's Elixir (https://elixir-lang.org/), but wow, Euphoria looks pretty slick too! https://www.rapideuphoria.com/

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

mdp2021 wrote: post #126
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard sell, but a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen, one side OLED, and one e-ink, would probably be a winner. Or something like the framework laptop, but with a plugable/ unplaggable screen, and you switch as needed. I would buy one. Espacially on travel, where the prospect of working outside in nature, and having a one week battery life would be fantastic for work.

> a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen The Lenovo ThinkBook Plus has an E-Ink display on the outer side - but I think it remains an outer side.

Yes, that's the deal breaker. If I can't type with the keyboard, or if I have to add some additional keyboard for mobility, it gets very cluncky.
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