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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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What is the lifespan of high refresh e-ink devices such as this monitor? Is it measured in a billion refreshes for example? E-ink displays have been slow to update but like this monitor there are a bunch of e-ink tablets which even allow you to watch videos and play games. In my head it feels like it detoriate the device faster.

> lifespan

The declared generic (update frequency agnostic) lifespan for E-Ink displays a few years ago was:

10 million switches per dot

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

You expect anything from a market that till very recently sold 768p displays and hdds?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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>Onyx Boox is a brand of e-book reader produced by Onyx International Inc, based in China

China is the only country innovating right now. The rest of the world really needs to start building combined manufacturing and innovation hubs like Shenzhen.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

The old OLPC laptop had a weird screen which kind of became a black and white e-ink screen when the brightness got turned all the way down, and was a quite normal colour screen otherwise. No clue how it was made though, and if there has been any further work in that direction.

The model number is the XO-1 in case anyone wants to investigate.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

Hard sell, but a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen, one side OLED, and one e-ink, would probably be a winner. Or something like the framework laptop, but with a plugable/ unplaggable screen, and you switch as needed. I would buy one. Espacially on travel, where the prospect of working outside in nature, and having a one week battery life would be fantastic for work.

> a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen

The Lenovo ThinkBook Plus has an E-Ink display on the outer side - but I think it remains an outer side.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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I'm as much of a fan of the potentials of this technology as anyone, but it really look like it's terrible to use as a main display even for non-multimedia applications. I.e. try setting your mouse or keyboard to have even 50-100ms of lag, a lot of people would find that very distracting to use even for just using a terminal Emacs/Vim & for writing plain-text. There's a reason these things are being marketed as "seco…

> ..try setting your mouse or keyboard to have even 50-100ms of lag, a lot of people would find that very distracting to use Except that Remarkable 2 has 20ms latency, same as iPad's. [1] That makes pencil behave like a real one; that is a user cannot perceive the difference between writing on eink tablet vs writing on paper. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/17/remarkables-redesigned-e-p...

While the 20ms latency on the Remarkable 2 is very impressive, let's please not say that users "cannot perceive the difference". At best the latency "does not bother" users. There are whole swaths of professions for which 20ms is a huge amount (professional gamers, musicians, etc), and even personally (And I generally view my lag perception as quite poor) the 20ms on the remarkable was noticeable enough that it did not feel as nice as having a good pen on paper.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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You might be surprised how far contrast (and cursive, bold, etc) can get you. Eg: https://github.com/fxn/vim-monochrome edit: Also, and probably a lot more controversial, code structure matters a lot. No syntax highlighting will save you if your code consists of opaque blocks of text.

I'll admit that that example did more than I expected with the limited tools it has, but it is still rather far from the things full color highlighting can do.

I remember having a chat with Andrew Gerrand at some Go conference, about how syntax highlighting is mostly done wrong, we just got used to it being that way. It's not like we colour words in a sentence based on their type, but we do enjoy tools highlighting misspelled words or grammatical errors.

In my experience syntax highlighting as a tool mostly help with certain classes of errors (e.g unclosed string or comment), not visually tokenising text for me to understand.

I've seen some such uncoloured theme (nofrils) that would de-emphasise either comments or code, and you could toggle between the two states, which I found quite useful in nicely commented files:

https://robertmeta.com/posts/syntax-highlighting-off/

There are a bunch of learnings and a couple of links to references in that article. Ironically one of the most prevalent I experienced was this one, which I found very odd because picking a colorscheme for my $EDITOR is quite literally a choice that would affect only myself:

> People on the internet will get very angry at you if you tell them you don’t like syntax highlighting. VERY ANGRY.

Some of these vim "color"schemes:

    https://github.com/robertmeta/nofrils
    https://github.com/clinstid/eink.vim
    https://github.com/ikaros/smpl-vim
They pair well with vim-airline's "raven" theme.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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> so that you could swap it with a regular display You may just want to lay an EPD tablet on the original screen and link the two. Check: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmenti... Issues? Yes. HDMI does not allow for the touchscreen, and you may want that. And the hardware system must optimize battery life, which can be awful on the HDMI connection. What you really want is an optimized data conn…

> Or, an EPD tablet with the ability to use more than Android... This is my hope with the future PineNote running a Linux distro.

I was wondering if you can freely customize the system (install software like a normal Linux Desktop OS) and checked, and I found a curious detail ( https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PineNote ):

> NPU (Neural Processing Unit) Capabilities: * Neural network acceleration engine with processing performance of up to 0.8 TOPS; * Supports integer 8 and integer 16 convolution operations; * Supports the following deep learning frameworks: TensorFlow, TF-lite, Pytorch, Caffe, ONNX, MXNet, Keras, Darknet

Very odd for an EPD tablet!

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#130

Not a word on refresh rate.

Unless they have some wizz-bang new tech that no one else is using yet, which they would shout about if they were, with eInk you can pretty much say “if your use case makes you care much about refresh rates then eInk isn't a good choice for you ATM”.

I agree, but even among e-ink displays there are refresh rates that make it difficult to enter text or view terminal output.
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