Apple Music is the last library focused music service • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by cassianoleal » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

kall wrote: post #181

cassianoleal wrote: post #19

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That's not correct. iTunes Match, which the author mentions, is responsible for exactly 1 of the features listed: > Uploading your music to the cloud and streaming them as any other song Everything else is part of Apple Music, the streaming service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Music

Since all the apps are just called "Music" anyway (remember the iPod app?) I think it's a difficult distinction to make. It's the Music app by Apple, which has an optional subscription that is also called "Apple Music" verbatim. Match is just hidden legacy, because the standard subscription includes it's features anyway.

Apps != Services. The Music app is the main front end of Apple Music and iTunes Match, but you absolutely do not require a subscription to them in order to benefit from the app, and vice-versa.

Edit: I think I understand your point better now. I've just learned that Match is not necessary if you already subscribe to Apple Music. I still wouldn't call it legacy though, since you might just want to sync music you own between devices and don't need the rest of the service. In this case, Match is a lot cheaper than Music.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by hbn » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

kall wrote: post #174

hbn wrote: post #110

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Spotify is actually the only one of the big 3 (Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube Music) that doesn't have a cloud music locker feature, and it's basically the entire reason I can't use it. However, both YouTube Music and Apple Music treat your uploaded stuff as second-class citizens to the stuff streamed from their music collection. Which is one of the biggest reasons I miss GPM, since it was much better for that. YouTub…

In what way are they second class? I actually feel the opposite way, because I can use only uploaded/matched tracks in apps like Djay, Capo or GarageBand.

First things that come to mind is they don't come up in the default search (you have to manually toggle to a separate search of your library), and also they don't show up in the web player at all.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by packetlost » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 3:15 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #140

germinalphrase wrote: post #43

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Everything is worse under Youtube Music. Embarrassing product.

I have to disagree. One of the reasons I use YouTube Music is because their search includes all the random music uploaded to youtube.com. This means that a lot of really rare tracks that YTM never received officially from the labels can be integrated into your library. I guess YTM then tries to sort out the royalty issues as they do through youtube.com.

YTM is objectively inferior to GPM in every way except library size and some details that only YouTube/Google have to worry about. The apps are buggy as fuck and have little more than "radio" features and a (crappy) search bar. Playlists are intermingled with youtube video playlists and have no search and only rudimentary sorting, viewing albums is a pain, finding your own music is a minimum of 3 button clicks, and the app flat out does not work half of the time.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by spurgu » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 2:36 AM UTC

29083011397778 wrote: post #238

standardUser wrote: post #103

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Google Play was ideal because I could upload any of my own music and it was part of my library, accessible anywhere in the world. Does any service like that still exist? I'm stuck with Spotify, which lacks dozens and dozens of albums that are important to me, and it won't let me upload them myself.

Why not just run your own streaming service? You're here on hn, so standing up a webserver (or even a Raspberry Pi) is hardly beyond your means presumably. Subsonic [0] appears to be well polished. I've used a FOSS fork called Airsonic [1] previously, though I've played with (and liked) Polaris [2] in the past. All three would meet your (possibly only) requirement of using your own music, and I wouldn't consider any…

+1 for Subsonic, it's nice. I haven't used it extensively, but have had it running now for 1-2 months listening casually without issues.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by anaganisk » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

newfonewhodis wrote: post #165

I run Plex (with plexamp) and buy music from: - Basecamp - Direct artist websites - 7digital - HDTracks Almost everything I've bought (tens of albums) are FLAC and sound great. I also feel great supporting artists better than my Spotify subscription is able to.

Ah basecamp, I can collaborate with my team using music :p

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by skinnymuch » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 1:02 PM UTC

floatboth wrote: post #54

gglitch wrote: post #4

Music-as-a-Service is fantastic as a convenience, and I too have discovered a lot of great music this way, but (a) I all the time want to listen to a record and find it missing from their catalogs; and (b) as with so much else on the web, I'm so over the constant minor psychological drag of knowing that my interactions are being tracked, logged, and gamed.

> psychological drag of knowing that my interactions are being tracked, logged Remember last.fm? We used to track music listens very deliberately to share with the public… Back in the day I had a "minor psychological drag" whenever I listened to something without scrobbling :D

Seems no one else has brought up scrobbling. Especially with Apple Music and some other things brought up not supporting scrobbling.

I still feel this way. Though I also still use Foursquare/Swarm to check in. I also scrobble most of my TV and Youtube. All my podcast listening. I love scrobbling!