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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by paulcole » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:49 PM UTC

bregma wrote: post #94

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61

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> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

No manager would consider signing off on devices that don't make their PowerPoint deck look great. Without the corporate or consumer market you're going to struggle to find revenue.

Managers! What a bunch of bozos who only care about how their PowerPoints look, amirite?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by qaq » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:50 PM UTC

ako wrote: post #92

qaq wrote: post #63

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1% is 1.6 million units per year that's a billion dollar company

I doubt an lcd display in a laptop costs a vendor more than $10. So that would make it a 16 million dollar company. If a E-Ink display costs $100, it would still only be a 160 million dollar company...

a good display is several hundred dollars. Market valuation does not equal to annual sales. A niche notebook like this can be sold at higher premium. The idea would be to offer notebook not the display.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by girvo » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

I adore Boox. My Note 2 is amazing (and keeps getting better and faster note-taking with firmware updates every few months).

I’ve ordered a Mira, the 13.3” one, which I think is a more useful size for the type of documents and uses e-ink has.

This is super cool though!

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by achow » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

avar wrote: post #75

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61

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> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

I'm as much of a fan of the potentials of this technology as anyone, but it really look like it's terrible to use as a main display even for non-multimedia applications. I.e. try setting your mouse or keyboard to have even 50-100ms of lag, a lot of people would find that very distracting to use even for just using a terminal Emacs/Vim & for writing plain-text. There's a reason these things are being marketed as "seco…

> ..try setting your mouse or keyboard to have even 50-100ms of lag, a lot of people would find that very distracting to use

Except that Remarkable 2 has 20ms latency, same as iPad's. [1]

That makes pencil behave like a real one; that is a user cannot perceive the difference between writing on eink tablet vs writing on paper.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/17/remarkables-redesigned-e-p...

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #100

mdp2021 wrote: post #98

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> so that you could swap it with a regular display You may just want to lay an EPD tablet on the original screen and link the two. Check: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmenti... Issues? Yes. HDMI does not allow for the touchscreen, and you may want that. And the hardware system must optimize battery life, which can be awful on the HDMI connection. What you really want is an optimized data conn…

> Or, an EPD tablet with the ability to use more than Android... This is my hope with the future PineNote running a Linux distro.

Mind you, Android can be pretty effective on the tablet for some tasks. But when you will want to use a complete Office Automation suite, instead of the more toyish mobile alternatives...

What I finally did, this June, was: I coded my own word processor for Android.

A dual boot system (Android vs Linux Desktop) would be the best solution.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by throw8932894 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:52 PM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53

zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

I work on a beach a lot. Laser printer costs $100 and paper is like 0.01 cents. Probably better usability.

This thing is not hardened for outdoor use. I dont think it would work in cafe. If it drops on floor, liquids, sand, salty water....

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by zimventures » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:54 PM UTC

...but can it run Crysis?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by girvo » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

lambdaba wrote: post #7

I couldn't (easily) find information about refresh rates and such, what I want is to know if this is usable for coding. Frankly I'm down to go with lower stats for this, because I so want to be able to use a computer with just natural light. If anybody has been doing this I'd love to read about your experience!

While not coding per se, I write fiction on my Boox Note 2 in Wordgrinder through Termux and it’s pretty great (especially if I increase the refresh rate). And that’s an older slower device!

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by girvo » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:59 PM UTC

jll29 wrote: post #42

I can't wait until this reaches maturity to get a 11" or so sub-notebook which is quiet, low energy, with a good keyboard for reading and writing (text/code editing, emails, PDF reading of scientific papers). Looked into this a couple of years ago and it was too early, now one could almost design & build that.

The Boox tablets are full android devices and support USB-C connectivity and Bluetooth for keyboards. They even have a clamshell keyboard case/attachment for sale that I have and use with my Note 2

Termux + Termux.Styling set to Black on White is surprisingly powerful, and works better than I expected. Adjusting the refresh rate helps too.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by aj_g » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 12:59 PM UTC

Related, does anybody have any suggestions for a cheap/large/easy to look at monitor that could be used for a digital picture frame? I was thinking of getting a Raspberry Pi to rotate through my photos in my home, but the hardest part of the project would be choosing a good discrete/mountable display.