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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#51

I am sad they go with the health angle. There is no evidence that suggest backlit or blue light are any more damaging for the eyes than a piece of paper with the same text. It's focusing that strains the eyes. https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-computer-... > Long hours staring at digital screens leads to decreased blinking. Blinking less sometimes causes a series of temporary eye symptoms known as ey…

On the other hand it is well known that it contributes to sleeplessness.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#52
post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

This is pretty on par for e-ink at the moment. Since the pixels are physical material, there is the mechanical movement time that has to be taken into account.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#53
post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this?

- Longer battery life

- easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing

- Allows me to actually work outside!!!

There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write.

Anyone envolved in Product Management that can give some insights?

Is it too expensive?

Are there not enough users?

Are vendors scared of the lackluster of the device when compared with shinny reflective displays?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#54

I am sad they go with the health angle. There is no evidence that suggest backlit or blue light are any more damaging for the eyes than a piece of paper with the same text. It's focusing that strains the eyes. https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-computer-... > Long hours staring at digital screens leads to decreased blinking. Blinking less sometimes causes a series of temporary eye symptoms known as ey…

Lots of people are bothered by the backlight on their monitor. Lots.

Eye strain != eye disease, or eye damage. A parallel, is you can strain a muscle, and it will be find in a few days with light use.

This is precisely how many feel, when "over exposed" to endless bright light in their eyes.

I looked at their product page, and did not see anything about "permanent damage to your eyes!", but... I certainly could have missed that.

Sadly, I'm being forced to defend a company I dislike greatly, for their phone-home-to-china firmwares in other boox products. I can only imagine what any accompanying software they may include, to auto-adjust/etc the monitor, will entail.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#56
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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't compare the contrast of an emissive (backlit LCD/OLED) and a reflective (eInk) display. Put your OLED display in direct sunlight on a bright summer day and you will get effectively get no contrast at all, the screen will reflect so much sunlight that your puny LEDs won't do much of a difference. Backlit LCDs will get some weak contrast because the backpanel is a bit reflective, but eInk displays will always…

> Put your OLED display in direct sunlight on a bright summer day and you will get effectively get no contrast at all, Recent iPhone oleds are dull but usable in direct sunlight.

Which brings us back to another thread, brightness.

Freakin' OLEDs are brighter than the bloody sun!!! The sun! I half expect my face to get sunburned looking at them!

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#57
post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display.

Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet.

This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#58
post #34

These products look amazing but a major drawback is the lack of colors. Any chance e-ink will get color support?

They exist and they look cool kind of like comic books. They are expensive and the refresh rate is slower though. https://www.waveshare.com/5.65inch-e-paper-module-f.htm

It's all how you explain it. 4k e-ink has ~ 8M balls, and can refresh ... let's say 10x per second. giving a stunning refresh rate of 80megaballs per second.

That's an incredibly high rate!

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#59
post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

patents if i recall.

a netbook style, or even like old kindle keyboard sized up would be pleasant.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#60
post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

It would be expensive and mouse cursors are not the most enjoyable with these things. You really have to crank the speed to use a mouse cursor without extreme frustration on eInk and that comes with a huge quality loss. I imagine most people need color for certain tasks even if it's not accurate like making a PowerPoint or something. For most people I think it would be more of a frustration than a help when running Windows.

Boox and others like Boyue do make Android eInk tablets which are pretty flexible. You don't need a mouse either which solves that problem. Very good for reading PDFs. Termux and a good text editor like Emacs or Vim can let you get some work done.

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