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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by avar »

zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

A little slow? I was pretty amazed by how fast it is in that video. I haven't kept up with E-Ink technology, but I own an old Kindle and it takes it 0.5-1s to refresh, but that 13.3" display is keeping up with finger gestures when scrolling.

Yes it would suck for watching movies, but it seems to be really useful for anything involving text, e.g. i.e. a secondary monitor to read documentation on, or even program on. I suppose the lag in text input being updated might be more distracting than when using it purely for reading.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by jll29 »

I can't wait until this reaches maturity to get a 11" or so sub-notebook which is quiet, low energy, with a good keyboard for reading and writing (text/code editing, emails, PDF reading of scientific papers).

Looked into this a couple of years ago and it was too early, now one could almost design & build that.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by efferifick »

I wonder how well one can modify the framework laptop to use the 13 inch e-ink monitor. Even if a small hdmi cable needs to run outside the case, as long as the lid can close (no need auto sleep) I'd be happy. I don't know anything about 3D printing, but it will likely be necessary (perhaps not sufficient though).

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by formerly_proven »

avar wrote: post #41
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

A little slow? I was pretty amazed by how fast it is in that video. I haven't kept up with E-Ink technology, but I own an old Kindle and it takes it 0.5-1s to refresh, but that 13.3" display is keeping up with finger gestures when scrolling. Yes it would suck for watching movies, but it seems to be really useful for anything involving text, e.g. i.e. a secondary monitor to read documentation on, or even program on. I…

Fast for eink, but also absolutely terrible ghosting, which makes the speed considerably less impressive considering how straining it looks. What's the point of a fairly quick response to screen updates when you have to press the manual refresh button in order to read what's on it?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by lvncelot »

fho wrote: post #17
deanc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be a bit of a struggle without syntax highlighting? Contrast won't get you very far.

You might be surprised how far contrast (and cursive, bold, etc) can get you. Eg: https://github.com/fxn/vim-monochrome edit: Also, and probably a lot more controversial, code structure matters a lot. No syntax highlighting will save you if your code consists of opaque blocks of text.

That example is a little misleading though, since it's using a shade of blue for comments and strings.

But in general, I'd agree, I've been using a monochrome color scheme for a few weeks (although mostly for the novelty) and it's definitely usable. When given the choice, I will use a full-color one though.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by chriswarbo »

lambdaba wrote: post #7

I couldn't (easily) find information about refresh rates and such, what I want is to know if this is usable for coding. Frankly I'm down to go with lower stats for this, because I so want to be able to use a computer with just natural light. If anybody has been doing this I'd love to read about your experience!

I enjoyed using my OLPC XO-1 for writing, programming, terminal usage, web browsing, etc. whilst sat outside on a sunny day. Was certainly a contrast to 'phone screens, which were barely visible, even with a backlight and shielded under a hand!

(The XO-1 uses a different display technology to these e-ink monitors, but the result is similar: a high-resolution greyscale display, lit externally)

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by GuB-42 »

numpad0 wrote: post #19
patall wrote: post #10

My dad has bought the 25.3'' E ink monitor from Dasung. From what he tells, it does not have a backlight and is itself to dark for his taste outside of middle of the day. Maybe it will be better during summer or in bright condition but sitting further away from these devices may require more than just reflectiveness for some users.

Contrast ratio of E Ink is like 10:1. I don't know exactly how it compares but backlit LCD is approx 1k:1, OLED is 1m:1 in contrast (pun intended).

You can't compare the contrast of an emissive (backlit LCD/OLED) and a reflective (eInk) display.

Put your OLED display in direct sunlight on a bright summer day and you will get effectively get no contrast at all, the screen will reflect so much sunlight that your puny LEDs won't do much of a difference. Backlit LCDs will get some weak contrast because the backpanel is a bit reflective, but eInk displays will always be 10:1 because they use ambiant light instead of competing with it.

These ridiculously high contrast ratios of OLED displays only take into account emitted light and only make sense in a dark room, or VR headset.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by trabant00 »

I am sad they go with the health angle. There is no evidence that suggest backlit or blue light are any more damaging for the eyes than a piece of paper with the same text. It's focusing that strains the eyes.

https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-computer-...

> Long hours staring at digital screens leads to decreased blinking. Blinking less sometimes causes a series of temporary eye symptoms known as eye strain. But these effects are caused by how people use their screens, not by anything coming from the screens. The best way to avoid eye strain is to take breaks from the screen frequently.

> The amount of light coming from a computer has never been demonstrated to cause any eye disease.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by zepto »

GuB-42 wrote: post #47
numpad0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrast ratio of E Ink is like 10:1. I don't know exactly how it compares but backlit LCD is approx 1k:1, OLED is 1m:1 in contrast (pun intended).

You can't compare the contrast of an emissive (backlit LCD/OLED) and a reflective (eInk) display. Put your OLED display in direct sunlight on a bright summer day and you will get effectively get no contrast at all, the screen will reflect so much sunlight that your puny LEDs won't do much of a difference. Backlit LCDs will get some weak contrast because the backpanel is a bit reflective, but eInk displays will always…

> Put your OLED display in direct sunlight on a bright summer day and you will get effectively get no contrast at all,

Recent iPhone oleds are dull but usable in direct sunlight.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by breakfastduck »

trabant00 wrote: post #48

I am sad they go with the health angle. There is no evidence that suggest backlit or blue light are any more damaging for the eyes than a piece of paper with the same text. It's focusing that strains the eyes. https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-computer-... > Long hours staring at digital screens leads to decreased blinking. Blinking less sometimes causes a series of temporary eye symptoms known as ey…

Anecdotal but I consider it absolutely farcical that you could claim using an e-ink is no better for your eyes. I can literally feel the difference when using my ereader.
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