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The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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I do not know what I am talking about, but I would love to see some type of crypto actually start solving some type of problem, versus just being a speculative asset.

With the USPS trying to get back into banking, which they used to do in the past, I personally think this would be a great stablecoin opportunity for the underbanked. Be a perfect way to send money orders from end user to end user, USPS could have cash in their coffers.

https://www.executivegov.com/2021/10/usps-launches-pilot-ban...

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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> I'm assuming these stable coins aren't actually backed by $150bn in actual USD, Maybe I am missing something, how is this different than banks employing fractional reserve banking?

That's not a great analogy, you can't redeem currency at a bank. My understanding is that stable coins are stable because they claim to be backed 1:1 by some other currency. If they are not actually doing that, then thats a fraudulent statement, isnt it?

Not all stablecoins claim redeemability for USD. Some claim each unit's redeemability for an amount of some digital asset that is worth 1 USD, with the amount redeemed fluctuating in proportion to the value of the digital asset, to maintain the stable value.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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>>Nor is it clear that wildcat banks are the summation of all historical experience of privately issued money. George Selgin of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank, has likened the use of wildcat banking by critics of private-money issuance to the use of Germany’s interwar hyperinflation by critics of central-bank money issuance: both are extreme and negative examples, rather than representative. Scotland’s free-banking system between 1716 and 1844, for instance, is often cited as a period of stability. Three large banks and several smaller lenders all issued currency and redeemed each other’s notes at their full value.

>>Furthermore, at least some of the problems with American free banking may have reflected poor regulation rather than a total absence of it. Banks were often not allowed to have networks of branches and interstate banking was near-impossible, which limited the expansion of successful and trusted institutions. Many were also made to hold volatile state bonds as collateral. Slumps in the value of these could—and did—spark local banking crises.

In addition to the fact that it was the lack of freedom in banking that caused most wild banks in the so-called free banking era of the US, Selgin provides statistics showing that wildcat banks were actually very rare, with the pervasiveness of the phenomenon greatly exaggerated by the popular narrative that individuals in the regulatory sector, who are advocating for more centralization, promulgate, and use to justify their agenda.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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I do not know what I am talking about, but I would love to see some type of crypto actually start solving some type of problem, versus just being a speculative asset. With the USPS trying to get back into banking, which they used to do in the past, I personally think this would be a great stablecoin opportunity for the underbanked. Be a perfect way to send money orders from end user to end user, USPS could have cash…

NFTs have solved a real problem for digital artists.

Outside of that yeah it’s hard to get excited about crypto atm even though I think it’s got a huge potential.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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I do not know what I am talking about, but I would love to see some type of crypto actually start solving some type of problem, versus just being a speculative asset. With the USPS trying to get back into banking, which they used to do in the past, I personally think this would be a great stablecoin opportunity for the underbanked. Be a perfect way to send money orders from end user to end user, USPS could have cash…

NFTs have solved a real problem for digital artists. Outside of that yeah it’s hard to get excited about crypto atm even though I think it’s got a huge potential.

What problem is that? We had art auctions before and they already supported money laundering via value inflation.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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> Together the dozens of stablecoins in existence, which include Dai, Tether and usd coin, have a market capitalisation of close to $150bn. I'm assuming these stable coins aren't actually backed by $150bn in actual USD, which is the underlying problem here and harkens back to the issue with the era of unstable "wildcat" banking in the US before 1863: > Before America instituted a national currency in 1863, banks issu…

As usual with crypto, it's up to the investor to perform due diligence. BUSD as of Oct 29th had a market cap of $13.1B USD which was fully backed by fiat USD held in bank accounts which are audited monthly [1] USDT has a market cap of $74B and has never been fully audited and last released an attestation report in March 2021. [1] https://paxos.com/attestations/

> BUSD as of Oct 29th had a market cap of $13.1B USD which was fully backed by fiat USD held in bank accounts which are audited monthly.

You claim this and then link to a page explicitly labelled attestations - an attestation is not the same thing as an audit. None of the stablecoins have had an actual audit done AFAIK - Tether said they were going to do one, and then their accountant dropped them shortly afterwards.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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NFTs have solved a real problem for digital artists. Outside of that yeah it’s hard to get excited about crypto atm even though I think it’s got a huge potential.

What problem is that? We had art auctions before and they already supported money laundering via value inflation.

What? I said NFTs SOLVED a problem. They introduced a liquid global permissionless marketplace for digital Art. That's a solution for digital artists who previously had to jump through tens of hoops to get anything out there with any value.

I think we're agreeing but I'm not sure.

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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> I'm assuming these stable coins aren't actually backed by $150bn in actual USD, Maybe I am missing something, how is this different than banks employing fractional reserve banking?

Several differences: 1) Fractional reserve banking has caused numerous financial crisies. 2) In the US, banks are required by law to carry deposit insurance (FDIC). While it is theoretically possible for the FDIC to become insolvent, that is far less likely than a bank becoming insolvent. Further, in practice, the FDIC can't fail because the government will just fund it directly if it's actual funds ran out. 3) While…

Banks don't lend out deposits though - a $100 loan creates both a $100 liability - the value in the customer's account - and a $100 (plus interest) asset - the loan itself - which also balances out to $0. The process literally creates money, meaning a bank could theoretically lend money even if it had no deposits at all. The constraints on making loans come from central bank requirements and regulations, not deposits made.

The fractional reserve model makes sense for commodity-backed money or things such as stablecoins that are backed 1:1 in some way, just not for banking in the modern economy where physical money is only a small part of the money supply.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-...

Re: The explosion in stablecoins revives a debate around “free banking”

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And this is HN. Imagine how the rest of the world thinks.

Fundraising as we know it will be replaced by coin offerings soon. Just consulted on a project that was able to raise $20m on their own through a yield farm and is using it to build out their product team and do tons of marketing. Defi is the future, anyone who doesn’t see that is being willfully ignorant.

Congrats you've reinvented ponzi schemes
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