Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

news.ycombinator.com

381–390 of 492 posts

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#381
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

lmao, hopefully the C code isn't nearly as bad as your html

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#382
post #349
post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially since Cloudflare went public back in 2019, at which point any investors cashed out. - Sincerely, a Google employee who has nothing to do with the investment branch of the company

> at which point any investors cashed out. Well, actually that is also not true. At IPO preferred stocks convert to common but the investors can keep their ownership, they can but don't have to cash out or can only partially cash out. Investors can also keep board seats in many (or most?) cases.

I don't know anything about this particular case, but it's very common for VCs to cash out at IPO or not long after. VCs identify good investments among early stage companies; they don't want to keep their money tied up in investments outside of their specialty.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like GigaBlast. I wrote a "meta" search utility for myself that can query multiple search engines from the command line.^1 It mixes the results into a simplified SERP ("metaSERP"), optimised for a text-only browser, with indicators to show which search engine each result came from. The key feature is that it allows for what I might call "continuation searches". Each metaSERPs contains timestamps in its page…

Wow, do you happen to have published your utility so that other people can play with it?

The problem is that (1) I am a minimalist and dislike lots of "features" and (2) I prefer extremely simple HTML that targets the links browser. Most users are probably using graphical, Javascript- and CSS-enabled browsers so while this may work great for me, it may be of little interest to others who have higher aesthetic expectations. Another problem is I prefer to write tiny shell scripts and small programs in C that can be used in such scripts. To be interesting to a wider audience, I would likely have to be re-write this in some popular language I do not care for.

If I see people on HN complain about how few results they get from search engines, then that could provide some motivation to publish. I am just not sure this is a problem for others besides me.

Many results I get from search engines are garbage. By creating a metaSERP with a much higher number of results overall, from a variety of sources, I believe I get a higher number of quality ones.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#384
post #74
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trusted curators is a dangerous dependency

How about just a meritocratic rating? Even here on HN I would appreciate some sort of weight on expert/experienced opinion. Although in theory I like the idea that every thought is judged on its own, the context of the author is more relevant the deeper the subject. That's one of the reasons I still read https://lobste.rs . It has a niche audience with industry experience.

Nothing is meritocratic. I think the term came into our lexicons because of a sociologist satirizing society and writing about how awful a “true” meritocracy would be.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#385
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just a meritocratic rating? Even here on HN I would appreciate some sort of weight on expert/experienced opinion. Although in theory I like the idea that every thought is judged on its own, the context of the author is more relevant the deeper the subject. That's one of the reasons I still read https://lobste.rs . It has a niche audience with industry experience.

> meritocratic rating That is literally PageRank.

Pagerank was mostly based on inbound links. A popularity contest with some nuance is just that. Nothing is meritocratic including any Google algo.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are going to pay for a generalized web search when DDG/Google/Bing/etc are free?

Yes. I use Brave Search and I hope they add a paid tier, which I think they have confirmed they'll add at a later date. If you don't pay, you are the product. Simple as that.

There are a lot of products you pay for, and still are the product.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#387
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Storing information about the pages you can't index, is also useful

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#388
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any open voting system is going to be under serious SEO pressure. That’s the real issue, Google has indirectly infected the web with junk sites optimized for it. Any new search engine now has a huge hurdle to sort through all the junk and if it succeeds the SEO industry is just going to target them. A more robust approach is simply pay people to evaluate websites. Assuming it costs say 2$ per domain to either whiteli…

Adding a gatekeeper collecting rent isn't a solution - the people using SEO are already spending money to get their name up high on the list.

This is money spent by a search engine not money collected from websites. People don’t ever want to be sent to a domain parking landing page for example.

More abstractly SEO is inherently a problem for search engines. Algorithms have no inherent way to separate clusters of websites setup to fake relevance from actually relevant websites. Personally I would exclude Quora from all search results, but even getting to the point your trying to make that kind of assessment is extremely difficult in the modern web. Essentially the minimum threshold for usefulness has become quite high which is a problem as Google continues to degenerate into uselessness.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#389
SEO wars are at least part of it. Google's algorithm has evolved over time not just top optimize advertising views/clicks and take over more screen space, but also to battle the constant gamification of their algorithm by SEO that, once you eventually get to the real results, will surface less relevant/spammy/scammy etc results if Google doesn't constantly push back against the worst SEO abusers.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#390
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

I hadn't used gigablast before, but a quick test had it find some very old, obscure stuff, as the top hit. Well done. However, the link on the front page to explain privacy.sh comes up with "Not Private" in Chrome. The root Cisco Umbrella CA cert isn't trusted. Oops.
Post reply on HN