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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by fallingknife »

echelon wrote: post #4
setpatchaddress wrote: post #2

And why should we believe this? Edit: The "space force" needs to justify its existence, and this is a way for them to do it. Why haven't we heard about this before?

Why not? China and Russia are ramping up on military presence, maneuvers, and armament. Our top businesses are constantly under attack by nation state actors. I've witnessed a few attacks directly. I'd be willing to bet that there will be some action taken in Ukraine and Taiwan within the decade, possibly simultaneously.

I feel like the best way to prevent a Taiwan situation is to give them nukes. China would never invade if it meant losing their 10 largest cities. And when they throw a fit just say "but China, you already had nukes. Which part of China they are in is no concern of ours."

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by baby »

pvarangot wrote: post #28

This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes. They have the technology and enough budget to defend military and commercial satellites and just looking for political support to actually do so. The CCP military may be ahead in number of rockets but the US is way ahead in number of spy satellites by a far margin and can also commission civilian capabilities for this.

oh man... it is really hard to see through news nowadays. What is real, what isn't? That's why transparency is such an important value in organizations and governments. The more transparency, the easier it is to move things in the right direction. That's why I'm confident that China will have a lot of trouble with corruption and long-term growth. But it doesn't mean that we're good at it, and we should strive for Democracy to also imply transparency.

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Post by jand »

This article presents some thoughts on how, if and when the US should or could strike (back) in space after summarizing the alleged current space combat capability developments of other nations.

You can easily replace "US" with other nations and the target audience with their citizens and allies.

By this logic, every nation needs to ramp up space combat capabilities, because their perceived or real enemies could also do so. This train of thought leads to a cold war 'space edition'.

In the long run it will boil down to disaster only preventable by some courageous individuals doing 'the right thing at the right time'. We should better begin stockpiling characters like Stanislav Petrov [1] to make sure we haven't run out of those by then.

Good luck to all of us.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by friedman23 »

pvarangot wrote: post #28

This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes. They have the technology and enough budget to defend military and commercial satellites and just looking for political support to actually do so. The CCP military may be ahead in number of rockets but the US is way ahead in number of spy satellites by a far margin and can also commission civilian capabilities for this.

The conclusion that this is propaganda does not follow from the facts you stated. Anyway, I suspect everything an active US general says is in some form propaganda but the thing that matters is if his statement is true or false. And nothing you've said makes me believe that this general is lying about US satellites being attacked in some manner daily.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by colechristensen »

baby wrote: post #42
pvarangot wrote: post #28

This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes. They have the technology and enough budget to defend military and commercial satellites and just looking for political support to actually do so. The CCP military may be ahead in number of rockets but the US is way ahead in number of spy satellites by a far margin and can also commission civilian capabilities for this.

oh man... it is really hard to see through news nowadays. What is real, what isn't? That's why transparency is such an important value in organizations and governments. The more transparency, the easier it is to move things in the right direction. That's why I'm confident that China will have a lot of trouble with corruption and long-term growth. But it doesn't mean that we're good at it, and we should strive for Dem…

It’s not nowadays, it has sheets been the case.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by boomboomsubban »

fallingknife wrote: post #34
boomboomsubban wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I don't think one guy saying they're launching non-damaging attacks on satellites is worth making the lives of over a billion people worse.

If retaliation for an attack makes the lives of 1 billion Chinese worse, then that's on them for attacking, not on us for responding. A space force general is not "one guy saying"

I don't think temporarily stopping us from spying on them justifies potentially killing people, particularly as I'd bet we do the same thing. And no matter how important a guy is they still need to provide evidence for their claims.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by pvarangot »

friedman23 wrote: post #44
pvarangot wrote: post #28

This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes. They have the technology and enough budget to defend military and commercial satellites and just looking for political support to actually do so. The CCP military may be ahead in number of rockets but the US is way ahead in number of spy satellites by a far margin and can also commission civilian capabilities for this.

The conclusion that this is propaganda does not follow from the facts you stated. Anyway, I suspect everything an active US general says is in some form propaganda but the thing that matters is if his statement is true or false. And nothing you've said makes me believe that this general is lying about US satellites being attacked in some manner daily.

Of course he's not lying, the thing is it's his responsibility that they don't get attacked and he already has the tools to deal with it at his disposal and is not in any way explaining what new thing they need. Also besides the actual stupid test of firing a rocket at a satellite the US military flew and tested technology that's capable of satellite warfare multiple times but "it's classified", they are just being more subtle than others because they can afford to as they are already ahead on the game.

He's just sounding the drums and banging his chest is all.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by colechristensen »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #33
jimmygrapes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it simply, the second we (U.S.) show what we can do, everyone else can start developing countermeasures. It requires a circumstance where the risk of exposing our capabilities is worth the deterrent or retributive effect. So far, throwing shit at satellites doesn't count.

I wanna see one of the USA adversaries magically lose a satellite somehow with firing a missile at it. Like a tractor beam or something. We need some good source material for our high tech, near future science fiction.

Everybody’s already demonstrated their ability to shoot down satellites.

Mysteriously deorbiting one with our mini robot shuttle though…

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by gpm »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #33
jimmygrapes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it simply, the second we (U.S.) show what we can do, everyone else can start developing countermeasures. It requires a circumstance where the risk of exposing our capabilities is worth the deterrent or retributive effect. So far, throwing shit at satellites doesn't count.

I wanna see one of the USA adversaries magically lose a satellite somehow with firing a missile at it. Like a tractor beam or something. We need some good source material for our high tech, near future science fiction.

Wouldn't it be pretty easy to do that with a high powered laser? Thermal management in space is a pain without people adversarially adding more energy.
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