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Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by wcoenen »

mads wrote: post #13
usr1106 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you could see empty shelves in EU, Brexit is absolutely nothing in comparison.

I keep hearing that argument and I am inclined to believe this is some sort of Chinese propaganda. Walking through the local ikea in Northern Europe for example, I find it’s hard to find anything made in china these days. I checked the last three pieces of electronics I bought also and none were made in china. One in Thailand and two in Vietnam. It can’t be food, so not sure which shelves are going to be empty here e…

It's not Chinese propaganda. According to the UN, China accounts for more than 28% of global manufacturing output.

https://www.statista.com/chart/20858/top-10-countries-by-sha...

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by humanistbot »

simonblack wrote: post #18

People aren't forced to buy from you if you do something that upsets them. In the words of the old saying, "Business is business, Solomon". Or in the words of the other old saying, "Never let your ego get in the way of your cash flow." Play silly games, win silly prizes.

The EU has trade agreements with China. Lithuania is part of the EU. China is breaking those agreements for reasons that are not covered by the trade agreements.

China is the one playing silly games.

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by t0suj4 »

dirtyid wrote: post #16
rp1 wrote: post #8

The EU let tiny Belarus divert a domestic EU flight and kidnap an EU resident with 0 repercussions. Lithuania is commendable for their actions regarding Taiwan, but the craven EU is unlikely to desire conflict.

Western MSM narrative is Lithuania standing up to PRC. But reality is Lithuania and other NATO baltic buffer states with little trade with PRC trying to assert relevancy to US foreign policy after US retreat/pivot to Asia. US rewarding Lithuania with 600M in export credits as agent for US interest of elevating TW status in EU, and Taiwan rewarding Lithuania laser industry with preferential contracts for TSMC. EU reac…

I don't know about the deal with US. But I think investing into Taiwan trade relationships has greater potential because forced technology transfer to China is no secret and that negates all benefits of such a big market. Lithuanians risk getting booted by their own technology in hands of state-backed company.

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by simonblack »

humanistbot wrote: post #22
simonblack wrote: post #18

People aren't forced to buy from you if you do something that upsets them. In the words of the old saying, "Business is business, Solomon". Or in the words of the other old saying, "Never let your ego get in the way of your cash flow." Play silly games, win silly prizes.

The EU has trade agreements with China. Lithuania is part of the EU. China is breaking those agreements for reasons that are not covered by the trade agreements. China is the one playing silly games.

According to that logic it was the EU, not Lithuania, that upset the Chinese by opening a Taiwanese office. So maybe China is sanctioning the EU as such accordingly, and therefore correctly.

If the EU can sanction other entities, it can also be sanctioned by other entities.

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by dirtyid »

t0suj4 wrote: post #23
dirtyid wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western MSM narrative is Lithuania standing up to PRC. But reality is Lithuania and other NATO baltic buffer states with little trade with PRC trying to assert relevancy to US foreign policy after US retreat/pivot to Asia. US rewarding Lithuania with 600M in export credits as agent for US interest of elevating TW status in EU, and Taiwan rewarding Lithuania laser industry with preferential contracts for TSMC. EU reac…

I don't know about the deal with US. But I think investing into Taiwan trade relationships has greater potential because forced technology transfer to China is no secret and that negates all benefits of such a big market. Lithuanians risk getting booted by their own technology in hands of state-backed company.

EU has been mostly neutral on US-Sino competition so US using Lithuania to insert/forward US foreign policy to undermine the bloc and rewarding Lithuanian accordingly. Right now it's trying to elevate TW global presence. It's old game US plays with baltic states who require NATO (read US) protection against Russia.

PRC is building indigenous laser for semi anyway, Lithuanian laser was never in the running. Lithuania actually exports more to PRC than vice versa. Entire point of them being first to withdrawal from 17+1 was because PRC underdelivered on east EU trade/investments.

Unlike west EU, Lithuania has little to lose and much more to gain supporting US interests. On the flip side, major EU powers low key do not like idea that small baltic states like Lithuania has this much influence and will act accordingly. There history of transatlantic drama with US using desperate security partners to undermine EU policy in general.

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by danrocks »

zibzab wrote: post #15
humanistbot wrote: post #3

Likely because Lithuania opened up a diplomatic office for Taiwan. I hope they hold strong and don't fold.

Opened diplomatic office? Those monsters!! Seriously, China is super sensitive if you don't do exactly as they demand. Mention Tibet and all the sudden you are Hitler 2.0 in China

It’s an interest contradiction: the so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats and CCP apparatchiks go out of their way to project China as this mighty invincible superpower, yet when some 17 year old says “Congratulations to the Taiwan national athletes” they go all “you hurt the feelings of the Chinese people”.

Super sensitive superpower, China is.

Re: China removed Lithuania from its customs registry

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Post by humanistbot »

simonblack wrote: post #24
humanistbot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has trade agreements with China. Lithuania is part of the EU. China is breaking those agreements for reasons that are not covered by the trade agreements. China is the one playing silly games.

According to that logic it was the EU, not Lithuania, that upset the Chinese by opening a Taiwanese office. So maybe China is sanctioning the EU as such accordingly, and therefore correctly. If the EU can sanction other entities, it can also be sanctioned by other entities.

> So maybe China is sanctioning the EU as such accordingly, and therefore correctly.

In which case, the EU is bound by the terms of the common market to retaliate.

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