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Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by micromacrofoot »

pjkundert wrote: post #520
micromacrofoot wrote: post #485

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>Are there not plentiful examples of "Socialist" societies attempting to enforce more and harsher mandates, against anyone not willing to "give their fair share"? You mean like if you don't pay taxes you go to jail? or if you don't work you live on the street? There are certainly harsher places to be, but the US is not friendly to people who do not "give their fair share." It's already mandatory.

And, most people are fine with it, and those that aren't are completely free to leave and pursue their lives somewhere with "better" rules. I think we're agreeing; perhaps I'm mistaken?

I guess, but "completely free to leave" is a bit of an illusion... it's not at all easy to do so, and even if you do... you still owe taxes until you renounce citizenship.

I also don't really see barring people from leaving as an inherent requirement to socialism, if that's what you were saying.

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by moistrobot »

MauranKilom wrote: post #569
moistrobot wrote: post #451

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> Even within crypto/defi, it's still people making the decisions. People wrote the algorithms. The only advantage I see there is that, in theory, you should be able to see what rules are encoded in that algorithm, so it's slightly more transparent in that sense. Agreed. People still create the system, but they have zero to little sway in each individual transaction. So, the system can be biased, but with increased t…

> > On the negative side, though, there's essentially no rule of law to prevent the people making the decisions in DeFi from doing things that are bad/illegal/invalid. > Very true, there's a lot of scamming going on. It's still very bleeding edge and not ready for mainstream adoption. Could you elaborate how you think this problem will be fixed for mainstream adoption?

I wish I could. If I knew how, I would be implementing this as fast as humanly possible. The first person to fix this problem will make $1 billion, easy

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by kelseyfrog »

goodpoint wrote: post #243
pitaj wrote: post #150

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Central panning doesn't scale because of limits to economic knowledge and calculation. You can't possibly know enough about what everyone needs or wants in an economy. Even if you did, calculating resource allocation based on that is NP.

People constantly forget that large multinationals like Amazon are bigger that many countries, are purely authoritarian structures and work as 100% centralized economies. > Central panning doesn't scale On the contrary, it scaled pretty well in China and in Soviet Russia, leading to the two cases of the fastest economical growth on the planet. The problem is not scalability. The problem is that dictatorships (both co…

Take Walmart as an example. If a country, it would rank 25th economically (above 188 other countries and the likes of Austria, Argentina, Norway, Ireland, and South Africa).[1] Walmartian central planning scales at least that far.

1. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3524078

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by sangnoir »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #527
kube-system wrote: post #335

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Marriage is a contract. Governments regulate the enforcement of contracts. That's why they're involved. The religious part of marriage is entirely optional.

> Marriage is a contract. The really interesting thing is that marriage is a contract that changes over time (as the government modifies law), without either party re-consenting to the new agreement. It's part of why I will probably never get married, it technically represents infinite risk.

> without either party re-consenting to the new agreement

This can also happen time with non-marriage contracts, which is why prudent drafters include severability clauses

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

wilkommen wrote: post #155
jq-r wrote: post #111

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You've answered your own question. It is going to be a war. War is a great mallet which destroys most of the power structures and shuffles the cards a bit. But the price to pay is atrociously high. After the war everyone will swear "Never again!", but their children's children have no idea what that means, and have no problem going to war all over again.

Yeah I guess. I hope not. I wonder throughout history, has there ever been a "ruling class" which starts to see that unless they cede a significant amount of power, there will be a war, and they will lose it, and thus they proactively decide to cede a sufficient amount of said power? I guess that's more or less the dream scenario. Cause then things get a lot better without a war. But they wouldn't even let Bernie San…

Bernie lost because he got less votes and supports in the primary, twice. "Dem party leaders" were against him but the voters decided. My vote in the primary went to him, but it wasn't "secret them" who stopped him, it was voters. "Many party leaders" were against Trump but he won the first time bc he got more votes.

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by 0xCMP »

wanderingmind wrote: post #440

Seriously where do all these people come from who think society is worse today that it was a few decades before. It's not. There has never been an opportunity for so many people at various levels. Artists have it the best now in the internet era where they have various streams to monetize their work. Case in point is Spotify. Ofcourse Spotify and other providers are going to make money off artists. But without them m…

the author recognizes and appreciates the successes we've had, but his point is that while things aren't as good as they could be using crypto instead of organizing and doing "the work" is not going to solve things. if nothing else because you'll end up with the same centralized control at some point or suffer while the system tries to self correct (if it even could). it is all a distributed system already so making another system, with higher built in costs, does not solve the problem.

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by kazinator »

tinco wrote: post #363
padobson wrote: post #309

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I'd ask you to check your basic assumption about science as an authority. Science is really good at transmitting information about deterministic processes, but is really bad at transmitting information about non-deterministic processes or even processes that are so complex that they appear non-deterministic e.g. human behavior. I don't believe in reincarnation, but it's not hard at all for me to see how it can be use…

> I'd ask you to check your basic assumption about science as an authority. Science is the only and ultimate final authority. It really is not a bad assumption. There literally can not be a higher authority than it by definition. > but is really bad at transmitting information about non-deterministic processes or even processes that are so complex that they appear non-deterministic e.g. human behavior. No it is not,…

The content of science, the body of knowledge, by definition, not supposed to be based on authority. Authority means that exactly the same counterfactual statement is considered either right or wrong based on whether the speaker of that statement has authority.

Science is currently not ultimate or final because is it is changing. For science to be ultimate and final, it would mean that tomorrow's science is the same as today's science. Nothing new or different can follow that which is ultimate.

However, we need to assert social authority in order to defend a discourse against the fallacies like "argument from authority" or other unproductive disruptions.

Re: 100 years of whatever this will be

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Post by oblio »

whatshisface wrote: post #439
brandonmenc wrote: post #371

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If you wake up one day and find that your society is disintegrating with that speed, you're going to need food, water, ammo - all of which are tradeable - and a good support network - not a bunch of fake computer monopoly money tokens.

You don't wake up into a disintegrating society, you wake up into a society that's a little worse every day for decades. See: other highly developed countries that are no longer considered highly developed.

There are very few highly developed countries that fell from that status without being at war.

Argentina is the only one that comes to mind.

Planning for the apocalypse isn't really planning, but I guess we all need hobbies.

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Post by sva_ »

almostkorean wrote: post #558
sva_ wrote: post #346

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> https://holo.host > HoloToken (HOT) is an ERC-20 token I'm not sure a hierarchy in which the Ethereum Foundation, who gave themselves the absolute majority of Ether currency, is at the top, is the answer to the struggles/issues postulated in the essay.

What makes you think Ethereum Foundation gave themselves the majority of Ether? I'm pretty sure it was 15% but I might be wrong

https://etherscan.io/stat/supply

72 million Ether were premined

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Post by oblio »

beebmam wrote: post #219
IIAOPSW wrote: post #58

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"Dying is easy young man, governing's harder." Something like that.

Certainly the Taliban is finding that out in Afghanistan. And there is tremendous suffering among people who don't deserve that situation.

Maybe they wouldn't be there without almost 5 decades of foreign invasions...
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