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The lost world of physicality

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Re: The lost world of physicality

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post #47

Sheesh, what do people have against ebooks? And where do they all get the same fetish for fondling paper? You can't grep dead trees. Books just aren't as effective. You also can't store tens of thousands of paper books on a tiny USB stick.

You also can't build redstone computers out of Lego bricks. Capability wasn't the author's point.

You can certainly build a computer out of legos. Or at least a Difference Engine, and what really is a better introduction to computability than making your own calculator? http://acarol.woz.org/difference_engine.html

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Since nobody else has directly brought this up so far: our perceptions are strongly distorted by our environment. If you tend to spend a lot of time at the computer, you will tend to think that everyone else spends a lot of time at the computer.

I live in a semi-rural area (Grass Valley, CA; local population approximately 25,000). Here, the neighborhood kids get together on my street and play outside. On the weekends in the Summer, the local highways have boats on trailers, headed out to the various local lakes for the day. The locals that don't have a boat all congregate at one of the various local rivers during the Summer, and hang out with their dogs off their leashes and chat with each-other and jump off of cliffs into questionable landing areas.

I needed to get away for a bit last weekend, so some friends and I went hiking deep in the mountains and bagged some 8,000-foot buttes while we were there. Along the way, we met a bunch of other people out having fun too, including a small, but full, campground of folks. Here, there are farmers' markets somewhere almost every day, and big street events downtown. There seems to be a kind of informal local contest to see who can put on the biggest events. Last weekend, while I was out hiking, we had the brew fest (which is usually a pretty big attraction), and the "Miner's Picnic", which also gets a good draw.

I have a couple of tickets to go and see a local production of "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead". I'm trying to improve my juggling skills, so I hang out with some locals for a "circus jam" in one of the local parks every Sunday afternoon. On Tuesdays and Fridays I get together with some older friends and we play Go for a few hours at one of the various cafes. My girlfriend goes out to various places throughout the week and sets up her massage chair and offers $1/minute massage to interested people.

Yes, there are people here who spend a lot of time behind computers. I'm one of them. There are kids who spend a lot of time playing video games. I've met some of them. But, that's not the whole picture, and I know it's not, because I go out and participate in and experience everything else that's going on here.

I've also seen these dichotomies-of-community in lots of other places, too: San Diego, the East Bay, Seattle.

If you feel like other people are spending too much time in the virtual world, or that the virtual world is overtaking the physical one, or that experiences are being cheapened somehow, or that there's too much fear among people ... you need to get out more. :-)

Re: The lost world of physicality

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it means that everything is mediocre crap. (bar 1984 which goes missing).

I wonder if anyone making that claim actually owns a Kindle. After buying a Kindle, I am reading a lot of older texts that are out of copyright and are far superior to most of today's crap.

I was referring to Twilight explicitly. Agree with your point entirely.

Re: The lost world of physicality

#74
post #47

Sheesh, what do people have against ebooks? And where do they all get the same fetish for fondling paper? You can't grep dead trees. Books just aren't as effective. You also can't store tens of thousands of paper books on a tiny USB stick.

You also can't build redstone computers out of Lego bricks. Capability wasn't the author's point.

But capability is the point of books. If you want a work of art buy a sculpture/etc.

There's a huge undercurrent of people who romanticize books, I was asking where/why they came from.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Since nobody else has directly brought this up so far: our perceptions are strongly distorted by our environment. If you tend to spend a lot of time at the computer, you will tend to think that everyone else spends a lot of time at the computer. I live in a semi-rural area (Grass Valley, CA; local population approximately 25,000). Here, the neighborhood kids get together on my street and play outside. On the weekends…

> so some friends and I went hiking deep in the mountains and bagged some 8,000-foot buttes while we were there.

It's cool that your mom and your friends get along so well.

PS: I love downvotes nearly as much as a good "your mom" joke. :)

Re: The lost world of physicality

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post #75

Since nobody else has directly brought this up so far: our perceptions are strongly distorted by our environment. If you tend to spend a lot of time at the computer, you will tend to think that everyone else spends a lot of time at the computer. I live in a semi-rural area (Grass Valley, CA; local population approximately 25,000). Here, the neighborhood kids get together on my street and play outside. On the weekends…

> so some friends and I went hiking deep in the mountains and bagged some 8,000-foot buttes while we were there. It's cool that your mom and your friends get along so well. PS: I love downvotes nearly as much as a good "your mom" joke. :)

Nah, she couldn't make it out that day. You should know that -- she was busy fixing that OBO bug in your code that you couldn't figure out.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also can't build redstone computers out of Lego bricks. Capability wasn't the author's point.

But capability is the point of books. If you want a work of art buy a sculpture/etc. There's a huge undercurrent of people who romanticize books, I was asking where/why they came from.

The author answers your question in the article:

"In the real world the physical book has a meaning of its own: it's the book your wife gave you as an anniversary present, it's the book your late father got part way through and you dare not remove the bookmark he left in place, it's the children's book read and read until the pages are torn and worn. These physical remnants augment the book with personal meaning."

Re: The lost world of physicality

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post #25

A side effect of losing touch with the physical world is that it wrecks your brain. You begin to feel isolated from the rest of the world. What doesn't help is the growth of cities, and overpopulation. We start to view other people as competitors and enemies. Have you ever gone through some days when you encounter many people, whether it's in a commute, or whatever and ask why people are so useless in your life? What…

The problem with cities is they tend to outbreed their space and resources, bringing rivalry due to a sense of scarcity. But the anonymity of cities enables people to reinvent themselves and explore unpopular ideas in ways that would be impossible or forbidden in the tribal environment of conformity and oppression. A tribe might be tolerable if I could choose one with smart, open-minded members, but most are trapped in the hellhole they were randomly born into.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it means that everything is mediocre crap. (bar 1984 which goes missing).

I wonder if anyone making that claim actually owns a Kindle. After buying a Kindle, I am reading a lot of older texts that are out of copyright and are far superior to most of today's crap.

I suppose the sort of person who always makes sure everyone can easily notice they are presently reading Gravity's Rainbow or Infinite Jest won't quite welcome the Kindle with open arms.
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