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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by jcims »

femto113 wrote: post #325
jcims wrote: post #283

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Generally yes but outpost is a little different: https://aws.amazon.com/outposts/rack/pricing/ Either way this is just a guess :)

Even with Outposts you're not "buying" the rack (Amazon still owns it and takes it away at the end of the term), you're just committing to keeping it long enough for them to make money on it. The choice of paying upfront or paying monthly is roughly the same money management strategy available with any AWS service (e.g. EC2 Reserved Instances), and likely is more about lining up with capex/opex decisions than actual…

Totally agree 100%. Text communication sucks sometimes, if we were talking over beers it would have taken 3-5 seconds to clear up.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by kizer »

no_time wrote: post #216
kizer wrote: post #207

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Why? There are undoubtedly wireless components to the infrastructure's network already. If everything could just beam to a single tower what's the issue?

>undoubtedly wireless components to the infrastructure's network already. Yeah, the free guest wifi in the meeting rooms. Believe me, out in the field it's all copper and fiber, held together by mountains of cisco switches. The facility in question is an oil refinery.

Yeah… but why? You’re telling me what is the case currently but I’m wondering why the copper, fiber, and switches can’t be replaced by the 5G solution.

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Post by throw10920 »

paxys wrote: post #59
mfer wrote: post #21

I wonder which smart TV provider will be the first to use this instead of home wifi where people can disable or black hole connectivity.

What does a smart TV have to do with a private 5G network? People just upvote any meaningless comment on this site as long as it sounds mildly controversial.

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." - The Hacker News Guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

Given that there's an extremely simple and straightforward answer to your question (smart TV manufacturers sell data obtained from spying on users, and they need a way to get that data from the TV to their servers), I would encourage you to give some thought before making such an empty and vapid comment about voting habits on HN.

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Post by Talanes »

ksec wrote: post #336
Talanes wrote: post #293

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Any reason for the obfuscation?

Those who knows it would instantly understand. Those who dont could fact check it themselves.

>Those who dont could fact check it themselves.

That's me, and no they can't. At least not without searching the full breadth of possible players looking for a set of facts that matches. If I could figure out who you meant, I wouldn't have commented.

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Post by aldonius »

xxpor wrote: post #320
aldonius wrote: post #313

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Voltage supply levels vary a little bit from country to country and modern PSUs are built to accommodate that. My laptop PSU for example will take anything from 100V to 240V, at either 50Hz or 60Hz.

Japan uses 100V, FWIW.

Well there you go.

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Post by ahaseeb »

Naracion wrote: post #310
ahaseeb wrote: post #306

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I think 5G will replace wifi within next 10 years. We don't need WiFi anymore

As somebody not very well-versed in this, a sincere question. Would something like 5g be able to replace a home intranet / network? Eg I have a personal media server that I stream to devices on my wifi--would this be able to work with 5g? From my perspective 5g can only replace internet access, yes? Devices that want to communicate with each other securely would still prefer to be connected over wifi or other persona…

Yes it should. Wifi isn't great with security + authentication. So ideally data would transfer over 5G.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

shubb wrote: post #337
vvanders wrote: post #312

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The part of 5G that gets thrown around a lot with high speed and capacity is mostly based on mmWave bands(think 10's of Ghz) which attenuate incredibly quick. Most of them are nearly direct line of sight. You already see some issue with 5Ghz wifi not going well through walls, there's a high chance you'd be falling back to one of the lower speed bands inside. The other thing is there's a non-zero amount overlap in the…

This would seem like an argument for installing wired / wire->mesh 5G base stations around our houses instead of the wifi repeaters we currently use.. Amazon in the past flirted with the idea of building a mesh network of Amazon IOT devices so that your neighbours Echo could connect yours to the internet even if you didn't have a connection. BT in the UK offered reduced price broadband if other BT customers could use…

Yes it's possible but AWS focus is to be the Layer 1. They're doing it for data and can easily replicate it for voice if there is a use case but at that time they're directly competing with Telco, a fight that they may not pickup at this time. Ideally they would utilize all the unused bandwidth & reuse it. So one neighbour can provide internet + mobile to entire street

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Post by ahaseeb »

laserbeam wrote: post #264
fbourque wrote: post #262

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to be a Telco at scale you need dedicated spectrum allocation which is seldom auctioned by the government at super high price so this is definitively what this is. it uses CBRS Spectrum which is dynamically allocated per site and the government can yank the CBRS spectrum you were temporary allocated at their discretion.

There are other comments here claiming Telco nonsense. What you say sounds reasonable though :)

CBRS has it's limitation and isn't permanent. Gov can take it back anytime and then there is also a priority. CBRS is good for smaller installation but not able to take commercial traffic. Caveat here is that 5G is difficult to deploy. You need a lot of antennas which cost $$. So in areas with higher density, there'll be smaller telcos that'll start operating.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

laserbeam wrote: post #255
taf2 wrote: post #248

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I'm still kinda of confused... does that mean we could say get a simcard and make voice calls via this network? insert sim card into mobile phone android/iphone and make phone calls?

Unsure. But private LTE is already a thing where you can install your own towers onprem and configure your devices to connect to those towers instead of the ones of your standard AT&T provider (or whatever). I don't think there's any magic voodoo involved. I assume there's a way to configure 5G capable devices to connect to some local physical network you set up at a factory. I don't expect this is for telephony, but…

Benefit is the cost for enterprises. You're paying for bandwidth which'll be much lower than the regular usage to telcos. You're however limited to data usage on this network and this focuses mostly on data

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Post by ahaseeb »

zimmerfrei wrote: post #335
fastball wrote: post #303

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Faster and more robust for the use case than wifi, I imagine. The wifi spec isn't really optimized for large-scale mesh networks, while this is precisely the use-case 5g was developed for.

Can you share a reference showing the support for mesh in 5G (large scale or not)? As in, the equivalent of IEEE 802.11s for WiFi? I can't find anything about that. Or did you actually mean "cellular"? Mesh indicates a deployment where not all access points have a backbone connection. Cellular indicates a deployment where all access points have a backbone connection.

It can be either. You can have multiple antennas pointing to a single Base station or each antennas having their own base station. It all depends on the use case. Challenge is when you go from Home to Roaming and vice versa as the handsoff isn't ideal but this'll improve
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