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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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> macOs.... doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is not only not true for many years anymore, it's even got so far that it's almost the opposite now. Most successful businesses nowadays are increasingly led by tech-savvy leaders, because otherwise they wouldn't be successful anymore, and those people make their own software now increasingly better on macOS…

You seem to have ignored the entire class of businesses that don’t “make their own software” at all.

Uh yes? If you don’t make software then obviously you won’t make software for macOS either lol?

Those folks also us macOS, but that was not the poiI tried to make.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Breaking Addons to be more compliant with a standard between other browsers - making things like TabTreeStyles not work. Putting ads in the address bar: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715179/firefox-suggest-... Recording what you type in the address bar: https://today.in-24.com/technology/450296.html Putting ads on the New Tab Page: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/12/31/firefox-with-ads-on-new-ta... Randomly instal…

These are valid complaints; frankly Mozilla hasn't been the steward that I would like for them to be, but I really struggle to understand how these are enough to make someone switch to Chrome. They're all things that make FireFox less better , but surely not worse? The auto-installed addons thing was a bit of a fiasco (though one which didn't affect me), but things like advertising or extension support are still worl…

Yeah, I have the same feeling. Chrome feels like a carefully planned campaign of tricks to enter every aspect of your life and make it controlled by Google. Facebook feels like a browser with occasional frantic episodes of random folks having an idea "let's make money on $this" (where $this is so stupid you can't believe it), and the usually it disappears and another person has another equally brilliant idea. Not ideal, but I can live with that, it doesn't even come close to what Google is doing. And each year they go further.

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I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

How is this any different than what google does in google app?

Based on recent Firefox post, HN seems to agree firefox is going down the wrong path and not worth using; but that google and microsoft are evil. They do seem to agree that semicolons are good.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Windows 10 was a horrible release. With the passage of time, it has become just about usable (although not really in my opinion). When it came out, though, it had an immense amount of bloatware (candy crush), idiotic auto-updating, sample-your-DNA levels of spyware, Cortana rubbish, identical settings in two places, and a whole host of other unpleasantness. All for what, the dark theme? I fucking despised Windows 10.…

IMO Vista was better than people give it credit for. ME and 8 were the truly bad releases (I used both, ME is super unstable and 8’s UI is a total mess).

If you could ignore the UI, 8 was actually a great OS underneath...which is why 8.1 was pretty solid, they fixed the UI

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i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

> " watching Microsoft do things like making Notepad use Unix EOL characters " A system which still pretends you're talking through a teletype, a system where it would make sense to use both CR and LF together and individually to move the cursor accross or down or both, shuns it. Windows never did mandate it, applications can use any line ending they like, but used it as a convention for backwards compatability with…

And doesn't mac use a third scheme - CR?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

Anecdotal but I’ve never had any issue with Linux. Aside from installing Nvidia proprietary drivers when secureboot is enabled. In which case DKMS is broken so I had to enroll a new signing key in MOK and use that to sign the nvidia kernel driver. If I need to run Windows, I will either use WINE or single GPU pass through to a Windows VM on KVM. Never needed to dual boot. Edge on Linux is great actually, I just don’t…

That was a crash course on how to self-disprove one's argument, all in the first sentence. "It works well, except for this extremely common use case that requires arcane knowledge to fix."

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Great post until: > But F* windows and F* windows people in IT. The whole lot of em Maybe leave the late 90s.

maybe Windows guys should. "look at all this cool stuff Windows can do, that the stuff i was mocking could do 20 years ago". The way Windows people talk about all the "revolutionary" stuff Windows can do, like just piss off. This is like the jocks bullying kids for wearing Metallica shirts or NIN shirts freshman year only to act like the biggest fans 2-3 years later. It's like Star Trek fans getting mocked for decade…

Just to make you mad, I am going to compile this application written in an open source MS language and run it on Linux. Every day.

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Microsoft has had a good few years of building up their reputation after their self inflicted blemishes from the IE integration fiasco as well as their EEE mode of operation. Now they are throwing away their good will with smarmy tactics --why? for some short term gains? They were passing Google reputation-wise, of late, but these moves undercut their work of the last few years. It seems they see Google, FB, even App…

I noticed the same thing. However, I trust MS less now than in the 90’s. Back then, I felt like the owner of my machine. Sure they had bad things like IE but I could just ignore it. Now, it restarts itself and installs updates despite me specifically trying to stop it. It’s a shame really because I really enjoyed Win 10 and even Bing doesn’t suck completely. Thank goodness for competition and the new M1 laptops! Now…

I trust Apple more than Microsoft, but if you want to feel like you own the machine Apple is much worse.

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Outside of requiring a newer PC I don't think Win11 is a trainwreck at all, I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago and it's been fine. Auto HDR is neat for games and there's been a UI refresh, other than that it's basically Windows 10.

> I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago The train wreck starts there. Who wants a system that auto upgrades itself without the user permission?

This has certainly NOT been my experience. Windows 11 update is sitting in the download queue with it asking/trying to sell the update to me for a while.
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