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Are you referring to tapping and holding images to save them to the library?

It works on links too, allowing to open them in a new tab or copy the link.

I was referring to this. Didn't know about the other.

Re: Microsoft UI has officially entered the realm of self-parody

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Well, that's at least 2.8741 × 10^(-8) percent of users!

What's your logic behind this number? Do you think Microsoft made all those billions selling crappy software to geeks like us?

GP asked for stats, I supplied the best stats I could infer from the information you provided.

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This is only because the Finder/Explorer has been made harder and harder to use. Apple's OSX Finder is a shocking UI abomination. Their old MacOS Finder was clear and simple - my wife would spend hours arranging her work in coloured folders, each of which opened in a window whose shape and position she had chosen, and was meaningful to her. It was a powerful tool that enabled her to arrange and group her work. Now, b…

Are you talking about spatial mode? That still exists in Finder. Just hit Cmd+Opt+T or select "Hide Toolbars" from the View menu. You're absolutely right. I don't have the citation on me right now, but spatial mode has been found to be easier to grasp for new users in every single test ever. The only reason it was dropped was because (1) Windows Explorer, (2) power users whined about too many open windows and (3) a l…

> The only reason it was dropped was because...

(1) the NeXT team won the culture wars and the file browser was introduced on NextStep.

Re: Microsoft UI has officially entered the realm of self-parody

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Sounds like a potentially useful experience but, what does a development lead have to do with designing good UI?

What are you implying? That development leads should not or could not contribute to designing a good UI?

They should ideally not be the only ones designing it.

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1) 2 days with Lion and ten years of Apple fanboys whinging in my ear like angry wasps. 2) Just about everything from the awful toolbar icons (the labels are turned off by default on my MacBook) to the fact that it makes an awful mess of the messages and it's impossible to stick an image attachment in it without it trying to rape you in the eye socket with iPhoto.

Right click, "Icon and Text". Done. Click "Attach a document" rather than "Photo Browser" - it's literally 2 icons to the left, visible by default, and uses the universal "Paperclip" motif. Done. The other is even called "Photo Browser" rather than "Attach Photo" because, you know, it uses the system wide photo browser (i.e. iPhoto). Mac Power User? Power troll, perhaps. Sigh.

I admit i didn't know the icon and text option.

However, with iPhoto, unless you store your photos in iPhoto at which point when you hit the iPhoto library in the filesystem you are chucked into a mess of virtual filesystem. I know the file name but it's in my iPhoto library so I have to use the damn iPhoto VFS to get to it. That's a crock which means I usually a) get a mac ... b) reinstall the damn thing without iPhoto so I can get to my beloved FILES.

Re: Microsoft UI has officially entered the realm of self-parody

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This prototype is a failure of both design and usability. It's an offense and a joke against anyone who expects to be able to interact with a machine in an efficient and intelligent manner. - It's ugly as hell - A beginner is bombarded with way too many things to click on - An expert is annoyed by useless buttons and waste of space Sure, you can turn it off, but who wants to configure and reconfigure UI preferences f…

Just one question: Are these two statements different or restating the same thing with a different perception: >> after years on OS X, I still discover hidden elegance and something like: "It takes me years to find some features because they're so well hidden, and perhaps unintuitive."

Not at all. The things discovered are unessential to getting things done. It's usually just a nicer way or more of a "wow, I can't believe they thought of this crazy edge case".

A few examples: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/400/got-any-mac-os-...

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The problem has more to do with the excessive number of available commands. My suggestion is to cut the clutter and avoid hierarchical UI elements altogether, regardless of their nature.

So we're limited to either only exposing a dozen operations or somehow shoving 200 operations into a flat UI? This seems to be rather unrealistic.

A dozen operations may be more than enough for 80% of users. Designing for the remaining 20% is a common UI design mistake.

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Seems like I've been defending Windows Phone on here so much lately, maybe it's time to balance it out.

I think this is hideous crap UI design. Fortunately, it can be shut off (at least in the leaked betas).

I'm not aware of anything good that's come out of Microsoft and usability tests. Apple didn't seem to use them and it turned out well for them.

Microsoft, go with the Windows Phone paradigm, full force. It is your (successful) future.

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The first problem with the article here is that some of the buttons (Move To, Copy To) did not exist previously. They are also extensions of existing functions (Move, Copy) - so concluding that half the UI is covered by buttons that were not used is an inaccurate assumption. Secondly, the actions are being moved from the context menu to the ribbon. Most new computer users find it very hard to remember additional, non…

Came here to say this, only I don't work for Microsoft. He takes you guys' research that says most people use it from the context menu and uses that to say that it should continue to be that way. It's like, since when are companies not allowed to try to improve their UI? Just because most people use it there doesn't make it the best option.

Re: Microsoft UI has officially entered the realm of self-parody

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"Delete all files except this one."

People who don't know about menus shouldn't really be mass-deleting things yet. Alternatively, add a button for "Help! -The Computer lost all my stuff".

That button is called the "Recycle Bin". I believe it has been on the default desktop since at least Windows 95.
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