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Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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This is an excellent example of violating implied trust. What is implied trust? I expect my software to do what I tell it to do, without any additional, unexpected behaviors, especially those that do not serve my interests.

Microsoft violated that trust. This means that they value their interests above my own. They are demonstrably untrustworthy. Again, btw.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

> Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level?

Almost every single person that I can think of in my life does not give a shit about an edge reminder. The one that does doesn't use Windows anyway.

Hackernew is a unique audience.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #255

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> iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. FWIW, iOS doesn't chide you when you download Chrome or Firefox. Of course Apple requires them to use the iOS rendering engine - but that's perhaps a slightly different point.

On macOS Safari prompts me to set it as a default browser every time I launch it.

That’s interesting because it doesn’t for me as if Safari 15.1, but Chrome certainly does as of version whatever is the latest (and I use Firefox as my default on this machine).

Most browsers will, or to be more precise: I’ve never met a browser that didn’t request to be the default, but there’s usually a point where they stop asking or else a setting to disable that “feature”.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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there's a lotta people that use windows but you're imagining they're all the same as the people you hate. That's hate.

people that accept the default choices in life are always the ones swinging at people who don't and it remains true even when what was once is obscure all of a sudden has cultural/business momentum to escape that relative obscurity.

sorry, are you suggesting I'm oppressing (swinging) you just because I want my OS install to be easy or idk play games or just because I'm not really into OSes and prefer to focus on other stuff?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

Fwiw, my family has been perfectly happy with various Linux machines.

Most things work with just a browser. Such that my kid's school just gives Chromebooks. They prefer the Ubuntu and Pop os machines, but are fine with any.

The windows machine was ok when we had it, but it did crash more.

I only regret some content creation tools. Used to regret gaming, but steam has come a long way.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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That's not a dark pattern, it's just obnoxious advertising garbage. Which is still bad, but a different thing. FWIW this is also one of my least favorite things about FF. What the fuck is the point of unobtrusive background auto-updating if you're also going to annoy me with ads every single time you do it?

YMMV, but people talk about these ads firefox is throwing around and I just don't see them. Did I accidentally turn a knob or something and it's just carried with me through years of Firefox Sync'ing?

Most updates at least open and focus a tab about what updated. I'm not sure I've ever cared what it said or needed to know any of the info on those, in years of that happening. Some updates also like to pop up messages or bug me to use crap like Pocket or their revolutionary (LOL) new color theming. Possibly there's a way to stop it, but I only use FF on my Windows gaming machine these days, so it's not a big deal.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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And where can I download the current build of Safari for Windows?

They didn't say anything about "...for Windows." They said the only browser .

that safari isnt available necessarily puts it into the group of "not different" browsers because of how it's restricted by apple. not knocking it because i really enjoy mobile safari, but it's not different, at least not in ethos.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is an outdated take - it's functionally untrue in most business settings. Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only.

> Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only. I game a lot, I haven't rebooted into Windows in well over a year. Luckily I don't really play games that require stupid DRM/anticheat (although, that is being worked on) I would probably start playing Apex Legends again if they allowed EAC Linux support. Epic added support, the devs just need to support it -.-

Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are terrible but proton makes them play much better even though it's running the Windows binaries.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. FWIW, iOS doesn't chide you when you download Chrome or Firefox. Of course Apple requires them to use the iOS rendering engine - but that's perhaps a slightly different point.

macOS does display something when you do, the first time ever. Initially I thought "why don't Apple get called out for that?", but upon reading this article, 1) it's once, and less intrusive, and 2) is not cringey/loaded with an air of smugness or condescension like some of these prompts.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #207

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is an outdated take - it's functionally untrue in most business settings. Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only.

functionally untrue in most business settings

Most business settings have some absolutely critical custom software written in Winforms or something that can't be ported, plus an entire machine of IT personnel and software tools that would be just as costly to convert.

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