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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by redconfetti »

0x_rs wrote: post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

I've stopped using VSCode and have started using VSCodium instead. Also, I dropped Chrome and Firefox in favor of Brave. Microsoft and Google both are evil.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by minimaul »

nicoburns wrote: post #201
mnholt wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) What programs won't run on macOS that "normal people" are going to need? In my experience most "normal people" use a web browser, the Office suite, and maybe some Adobe programs.

Accounting software perhaps?

At least in the UK, this is getting ever more cloud oriented. A lot of especially small-business accounting software is online.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by coolso »

jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use.

Counter-point: my dislike of Edge aside (especially since it uses Chromium instead of their own engine, which is lame), Google has made an aggressive, disruptive push to switch people to Chrome for many years now, which itself has made some aggressive, disruptive effects on the web. Is a little friendly "popup" from a competitor in a style all other browsers incorporate really such a bad thing to help keep Google's market dominance in check a bit? I don't think Microsoft or Firefox should just roll over and do nothing while Google pushes Chrome in everyone's face every chance it gets - it seems to have cooled off a bit recently (or maybe that's just due to me switching to DuckDuckGo permanently) but in the very recent past it was still doing so.

> I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows 10 and 11 are hostile

May I ask what makes you think this? Occasional oddities aside, I've found Win10/11 to make for an incredibly pain-free desktop experience. While the upgrade to Windows 11 was a bit of a pain due to all of the weird system requirements - I have the hardware required, but apparently not everything was enabled or set up properly and it took some effort to do so - and the start button location is still taking some getting used to, it mostly Just Works and gets out of my way. I've found it to be the opposite of hostile.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by handrous »

majkinetor wrote: post #104
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #88

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i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

And F* shitty Linux users with stupid names, horrid and unsecure desktop, and irrelevant topics.

True enlightenment is realizing that the Every OS Sucks song is, and always has been, right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by ubercow13 »

archontes wrote: post #203
ubercow13 wrote: post #188

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Seems more useful than Chromes search bar which has tab-to-go-to-google-search-and-generate-ad-revenue. At least Firefox has down-to-find-what-I-actually-want-from-my-bookmarks-and-history.

"You shouldn't want that thing that you want." No. If I type eba{Tab}query, firefox should search ebay for query. If I have to go to settings once and tick a box to enable this functionality, I will. I won't stop wanting what I want.

I don't understand, Firefox has this functionality. For example I have it set up so if I type 'y cats' it will search Youtube directly for cats. You can do the same with ebay. Similarly if I type 'youtcats' it will do the same search. Also, if you like it so much, you can configure Firefox to not put things like bookmarks and history before search results in tab-complete search suggestions. Firefox's address bar is strictly superior as far as I can see. The only thing it's missing vs Chrome is dark patterns.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by minimaul »

klodolph wrote: post #171
helmholtz wrote: post #146

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Windows 10 was a horrible release. With the passage of time, it has become just about usable (although not really in my opinion). When it came out, though, it had an immense amount of bloatware (candy crush), idiotic auto-updating, sample-your-DNA levels of spyware, Cortana rubbish, identical settings in two places, and a whole host of other unpleasantness. All for what, the dark theme? I fucking despised Windows 10.…

IMO Vista was better than people give it credit for. ME and 8 were the truly bad releases (I used both, ME is super unstable and 8’s UI is a total mess).

Vista ran positively well on decent hardware.

On a relatively recent (at the time) processor and ideally more than 1GB of RAM and it was absolutely fine.

It's reputation for instability was heavily due to early NVIDIA WDDM drivers being utterly crashtastic - this is something that did eventually get resolved. At the time I had an ATI card and it was perfectly stable.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by bko »

Angostura wrote: post #197
jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. FWIW, iOS doesn't chide you when you download Chrome or Firefox. Of course Apple requires them to use the iOS rendering engine - but that's perhaps a slightly different point.

Is it still impossible to set your default browser on iOS? That to me is even more hostile than just having me click an extra button once to download it.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by r00fus »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #98
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #89

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What faults to you find in Firefox, when compared to Chrome? I switched a year ago and I was emotionally prepared to fight a rough battle with problematic websites, incompatible apps and so on. I was very positively surprised. The only major PITA was the fact that I had to define MIME types for downloadable documents that I wanted to save by default - the usual box "remember this option" was missing for .mkv and the…

Breaking Addons to be more compliant with a standard between other browsers - making things like TabTreeStyles not work. Putting ads in the address bar: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715179/firefox-suggest-... Recording what you type in the address bar: https://today.in-24.com/technology/450296.html Putting ads on the New Tab Page: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/12/31/firefox-with-ads-on-new-ta... Randomly instal…

You can turn off all this nonsense. Most of these mis-steps have been mitigated.

Never going back to Chrome - even though I'm forced to use Google apps @ work, and it has noted incompatibilities with FF.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by tialaramex »

archontes wrote: post #203
ubercow13 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems more useful than Chromes search bar which has tab-to-go-to-google-search-and-generate-ad-revenue. At least Firefox has down-to-find-what-I-actually-want-from-my-bookmarks-and-history.

"You shouldn't want that thing that you want." No. If I type eba{Tab}query, firefox should search ebay for query. If I have to go to settings once and tick a box to enable this functionality, I will. I won't stop wanting what I want.

1. In Firefox settings, tick "When using the address bar, suggest: Search engines".

2. Find an eBay search engine you like, install it in Firefox.

Now, when you type eba{Tab} Firefox will suggest the search engine you installed, and your continued typing will be as a search in that engine.

I don't use this for eBay, but I do use it for Rust, typing e.g. rust{tab}iterator takes me to the documentation for std::iterator and related entries.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by selfhoster69 »

bko wrote: post #237
Angostura wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. FWIW, iOS doesn't chide you when you download Chrome or Firefox. Of course Apple requires them to use the iOS rendering engine - but that's perhaps a slightly different point.

Is it still impossible to set your default browser on iOS? That to me is even more hostile than just having me click an extra button once to download it.

I don't think so. Didn't a recent software update change this?
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