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Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #82

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Perhaps trolling the entire web is not useful today? I’d love a search engine where I can whitelist sites or take an existing whitelist from trusted curators.

Heh, I guess you mean "trawling" - trolling the entire web is something very different :)

"Trolling" is fine, see e.g. https://grammarist.com/usage/trawl-troll/#:~:text=Troll%20fo....

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Have you ever looked at the Amazon file?

I'll see if I can track down the link but I remember somebody sharing a dump with me from Amazon that apparently was a recent scrape.

Edit: https://registry.opendata.aws/commoncrawl/

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#133

Why don't you want personalized results? If I search for "subaru service" I want to find Austin Subaru, not Thorp Subaru in Cape Town.

I pretty much hate "personalized" search recommendations. If i'm looking for something it's usually not in relation to me but in relation to the world.

If i wanted something more relevant to me, then i would specify what aspect of relevance (country, gender, age etc...) i would like instead of playing the guessing game.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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"Basic NLP can do that a lot faster without introducing a lot of problems." This is called "stemming" and is not sensibly approached with machine learning.

Of course, but stemming is a fairly basic technique in NLP, as is POS-tagging. NLP is not machine learning.

Modern NLP basically is machine learning

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#136

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"Basic NLP can do that a lot faster without introducing a lot of problems." This is called "stemming" and is not sensibly approached with machine learning.

Of course, but stemming is a fairly basic technique in NLP, as is POS-tagging. NLP is not machine learning.

Stemming is not meaningfully a natural language processing technique, any more than arithmetic is a technique of linear equations.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#137
post #78

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It is. The alternative is scooping everything and using algos to curate. That seems worse imo.

Perhaps vote on results like on Reddit posts? Gets the junk sites down (and out of the index eventually).

Any open voting system is going to be under serious SEO pressure.

That’s the real issue, Google has indirectly infected the web with junk sites optimized for it. Any new search engine now has a huge hurdle to sort through all the junk and if it succeeds the SEO industry is just going to target them.

A more robust approach is simply pay people to evaluate websites. Assuming it costs say 2$ per domain to either whitelist or block that’s ~300 million for the current web and you need to repeat that effort over time. Of course it’s a clear cost vs accuracy tradeoff. Delist sites that have copies and suddenly people will try to poison the well to delist competitors etc etc.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#138

I think DuckDuckGo is closer to what you want. Same results for everyone, better privacy, and they're proactive about improving their results. https://duckduckgo.com/ Part of the problem is that there's a lot more low-quality content to wade through now than there was in 2005. I think the Google of 2005 would have trouble delivering quality results today also.

> a lot more low-quality content I wish there was an easy way to filter ALL search results, by permanently excluding specific websites, and/or keywords. Surely there has to be some browser extension that does this...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29404860

Not got round to trying it yet though.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, but stemming is a fairly basic technique in NLP, as is POS-tagging. NLP is not machine learning.

Modern NLP basically is machine learning

You can still do NLP without machine learning though, and a lot of the sorts of computational linguistics a search engine needs for keyword extraction and query parsing doesn't require particularly fancy algorithms. What it needs is fast algorithms, and that's not something you're gonna get with ML.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#140

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Read Bitcoin whitepaper. Bitcoin was meant to decentralize trust and to eradicate fraud through transparent decentralized database called Blockchain. It is certainly more impactful than hobby search engines taking in consideration Bitcoin was also hobby project but really revolutionary one. Go search what Larry Page said 20 years ago: If innovation is commercially successful it can have more widespread impact.

So your response to the author saying "I'm trying to be commercially successful, but it's really hard for these reasons" is "You should try being commercially successful"? Ok...

I respect his effort but the project is 20 years old and yet not commercially successful? There must be a reason behind it. The project is not good enough. Like I said only innovation can displace Google. Innovation is not something new and different innovation is something better.
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