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Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #30

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No because google's algorithm is not well known publicly. Also, if it was straightforward to detect then google could downrank it as well.

The point is that SEO would just immediately adapt to Google's changes. If a smaller search engine filtered these out then it would likely stay under the radar.

you know that legitimate sites perform SEO as well, right?

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#102

I think DuckDuckGo is closer to what you want. Same results for everyone, better privacy, and they're proactive about improving their results. https://duckduckgo.com/ Part of the problem is that there's a lot more low-quality content to wade through now than there was in 2005. I think the Google of 2005 would have trouble delivering quality results today also.

This. DDG is my primary search engine now and has been for awhile. I don't use Google anymore to search unless I really need to. The algos they use today are not the same classic ones that actually returned results.

Same. For the sorts of searching I do, anyway, the results I get from DDG tend to be better than what I get from Google. Google tries to infer what I want rather than take me at my word, and is very bad at it.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#103
post #82

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Perhaps trolling the entire web is not useful today? I’d love a search engine where I can whitelist sites or take an existing whitelist from trusted curators.

Heh, I guess you mean "trawling" - trolling the entire web is something very different :)

Then again, if you look at today's search results, where everything above the fold belongs to Google, maybe we have been trolled indeed.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Bitcoin and DeFi don't have utility outside of gambling and pump and dumps. Not everything (tbh not really anything) needs crypto.

Read Bitcoin whitepaper. Bitcoin was meant to decentralize trust and to eradicate fraud through transparent decentralized database called Blockchain. It is certainly more impactful than hobby search engines taking in consideration Bitcoin was also hobby project but really revolutionary one. Go search what Larry Page said 20 years ago: If innovation is commercially successful it can have more widespread impact.

So your response to the author saying "I'm trying to be commercially successful, but it's really hard for these reasons" is "You should try being commercially successful"?

Ok...

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#105
post #82

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Perhaps trolling the entire web is not useful today? I’d love a search engine where I can whitelist sites or take an existing whitelist from trusted curators.

Heh, I guess you mean "trawling" - trolling the entire web is something very different :)

Depending on the intended metaphor, trolling could work too :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling_(fishing)

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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This is how Private Search [1] works since it decouples the search from the user. This means nobody knows both who searched and what they searched for. This is a huge leap for privacy in search. [1] https://private.sh

Is it a proxy to other search engines or are they building their own?

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#108
post #37

Cliqz wanted to build new search engine but failed. It's just too difficult to operate at that scale and break the existing monopoly of big G. https://www.burda.com/en/news/cliqz-closes-areas-browser-and... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23031520 https://0x65.dev/blog/2019-12-06/building-a-search-engine-fr...

And then Brave bought them and it succeeded.

Cliqz is now Brave Search, I use it for all my devices, it's great.

Works better than DDG and sometimes better than Google.

I only hash bang every 100 searches or so, most of the time Google doesn't have it either. It's just to make sure.

http://search.brave.com/

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#109

I think Google was “better” from a users point of view in 2005 because it wasn’t that good at selling ads yet. I still remember the epiphany of the first time I used Google in 1999. It was amazing. I’ve thought the same about pre-ad Twitter and Facebook. Early on, startups with free services look a lot like non-profits and just maximize user benefit to grow. The problem is they’re not non-profits, and have to make mo…

$9/mo is not going to cut it. Google's domestic annual revenue per user in 2019 was $256. [0] That's $21.33 per month. Not all of Google's revenue is from Ads, of course, but the vast majority is. (Let's ignore for now the valid counterpoint that Ads are increasingly served on other Google properties than Search.)

But even charging users $21.33/mo for an ad-free search experience most likely wouldn't be enough. By providing such an option, you'd greatly reduce the value of the remaining Ads pool.

The optimistic perspective on this is that if you are one of the users with disposable income, you're essentially subsidizing a great search engine and a suite of other tools for the less well-off ones.

[0] https://miro.medium.com/max/6545/0*YTqXb-F5UiVhtlIS

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #86
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Where did you read that google/alphabet owns part of Cloudflare?

Assuming OP is referring to Google Venture's participation in at least one of Cloudflare's rounds.

https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/cloudflare-series-d...

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