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Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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No mention of DDG in the comments? Is there a reason I'm not seeing or it's just not the preferred alt-search on HN? Seems to have been working fine for me when I struggle to get past the funnels and content mills on Google.

DDG doesn't have their own index (they're getting their results from Bing) so not really relevant to this question.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Perhaps trolling the entire web is not useful today? I’d love a search engine where I can whitelist sites or take an existing whitelist from trusted curators.

Heh, I guess you mean "trawling" - trolling the entire web is something very different :)

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#83

Natural Language Processing is a pox on modern search engines. I suspect that Google et. al. wanted to transform their product into an answer engine that powers voice assistants like Siri and just assumed everyone would naturally like the new way better. I can't stand how Google is always trying to guess what I want, rather than simply returning non-personalized results solely based on exactly what I typed in the tex…

I think some NLP is strictly beneficial for a search engine. You may think "grep for the web" sounds like a good idea, but let me tell you, having tried this, manually going through every permutation of plural forms of words and manually iterating the order of words to find a result is a chore and a half. Like, instead of trying PDP11 emulator PDP-11 emulator "PDP 11" emulator PDP11 emulators PDP-11 emulators "PDP 11…

I get that for general-purpose searches this is a good idea, but it would be nice if there was an easy way to disable this when you know you don't want it - for example, for most programming searches, if I type SomeAPINameHere the most relevant results will always be those that include my search term verbatim. I don't need Google to helpfully suggest "Did you mean Some API Name Here?", which will virtually always return lower-quality search results.

Early Google was a breath of fresh air compared to the stemming that its competitors at the time did, but nowadays even putting search terms in quotes doesn't seem to return the same quality of results for these types of queries that Google used to have.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#84
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Perhaps trolling the entire web is not useful today? I’d love a search engine where I can whitelist sites or take an existing whitelist from trusted curators.

I’m really interested in this as well. I use DDG and whenever I’m doing research I tend to add “.edu” because there are so many spam sites.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#85
post #22

No mention of DDG in the comments? Is there a reason I'm not seeing or it's just not the preferred alt-search on HN? Seems to have been working fine for me when I struggle to get past the funnels and content mills on Google.

For me, DDG results are even worse than Google. It's set as my default and I'd say at least half of my searches in DDG generate completely useless results...pages of obviously SEO'd garbage. DDG also doesn't support showing a site's basic structure in the search results (ie, the card of a company's website with Products, Contact Us, Support, etc) and the preview text is garbo as well...it reminds me of 1990's era ele…

Every time this comes up I'll see a few people talk about how the results aren't relevant but it has not been my experience. I've been using DDG as my main search engine for a few years and never have to go beyond the first page. I really curious why that is.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

Where did you read that google/alphabet owns part of Cloudflare?

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to say but your project is 20 years old and it had no impact at all. You are doing something wrong. Innovation and initiative is needed ala Bitcoin and DeFi not hobby projects which are not picking up in popularity and utility.

Bitcoin and DeFi don't have utility outside of gambling and pump and dumps. Not everything (tbh not really anything) needs crypto.

Crypto’s biggest achievement is being the financial equivalent of the gulf war oil fires. Just massive pollution. Think of all the good things that computing could be used for… we used to have all kinds of interesting collaboration projects. Instead we are setting those CPU cycles on fire for short term profit.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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post #54
post #12

Ha, yes, I've done that at https://gigablast.com/ . The biggest problems now are the following: 1) Too hard to spider the web. Gatekeeper companies like Cloudflare (owned in part by Google) and Cloudfront make it really difficult for upstart search engines to download web pages. 2) Hardware costs are too high. It's much more expensive now to build a large index (50B+ pages) to be competitive. I believe my algorithms…

how recent are your results? 1-2h? 1 day?

it's continually spidering. just not at a high rate. actually, back in the day i had real time updates while google was doing the 'google dance'. that caused quite a stir in the web dev community because people could see their pages in the index being updated in real time whereas google took up to 30 days to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#89

The web has changed drastically. I’d imagine 2005-google engine today would be nothing but abandoned Wordpress blogs with comment spam.

I suspect this is exactly it—a lot of what made 2005-era-Google good wasn't necessarily Google's own doing. It was that SEO people hadn't yet fully figured out how to game the system yet.

If you took an exact copy of Google circa-2005 and had it crawl today's web, you'd probably get mostly "SEO optimized" irrelevant blogspam.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

#90

I think DuckDuckGo is closer to what you want. Same results for everyone, better privacy, and they're proactive about improving their results. https://duckduckgo.com/ Part of the problem is that there's a lot more low-quality content to wade through now than there was in 2005. I think the Google of 2005 would have trouble delivering quality results today also.

DDG never worked great for me, and it doesn't have it's own index.

Brave search has been my daily driver and it works wonderful.

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