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Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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The SEC has already proven that they can't keep up with crypto. I don't think crypto will survive if it becomes regulated. While there is a lot of manipulation happening in crypto, there is a lot of organic grassroots efforts as well for people that value privacy and true decentralization. I can only imagine how quickly they'd work to destroy both of those things and target cryptocurrency that promotes those ideals.…

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Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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I think this is wrong, but once Tether implodes, it will erase a huge amount of value and the ecosystem will take years to recover.

Can you elaborate on this further? I seem the market cap of Tether being quite tiny compared to BTC and ETH. Also Solana is nearly as large and will probably be much larger than Tether in a few months.

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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Isn't the entire appeal of crypto is that it's not regulated? Why the hell would I want it if it's controlled just like a fiat currency. That means it's susceptible to idiotic government decisions right?

The only reason our regulatory masters every say this shit is because they want a piece of the pie for themselves. You see it in every industry where they're not getting a cut.... oh gambling very very bad! Regulate the hell out of it and now it's fine to have sports betting and all sorts of other "sin" pleasures available.

Then there's always this "guarantee" that the tax dollars will go to the children except they pull the rug out on other money that was previously going there.

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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The SEC has already proven that they can't keep up with crypto. I don't think crypto will survive if it becomes regulated. While there is a lot of manipulation happening in crypto, there is a lot of organic grassroots efforts as well for people that value privacy and true decentralization. I can only imagine how quickly they'd work to destroy both of those things and target cryptocurrency that promotes those ideals.…

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So... I know someone with about that many bitcoins. They have never used a notary to sell any coins whenever they want. They have cash in multiple countries in many different banks and jurisdictions. I wouldn't say the notary and police interviews are required.

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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It is difficult to get a crypto proponent to understand something, when their crypto wealth depends on them not understanding it. EDIT: If you steal my gold or other metal store of value, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (either the actual materials lost or fiat value). If you steal my single named security, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (or the clearinghouse will reverse the transaction)…

FWIW, I'm pretty sure banks loose in the hundreds of billions per year to fraud... and it's all heavily regulated.

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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There must be a joke somewhere here....

The joke is that the only reason crypto wouldn't "survive" if unregulated is because they (the feds) would un-regulate it out of existence. ... This is kind of philosophically interesting in light of Giorgio Agamben's discussion of sovereignty and law, in which the prime act of the sovereign is to enact the "ban", i.e. deciding who or what is excluded from the law, which is itself still a status in relation to the la…

I think unregulated in this case means crypto market in general is prone to pump and dump schemes and other market manipulation without legal repercussions

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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It is difficult to get a crypto proponent to understand something, when their crypto wealth depends on them not understanding it. EDIT: If you steal my gold or other metal store of value, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (either the actual materials lost or fiat value). If you steal my single named security, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (or the clearinghouse will reverse the transaction)…

While I agree that crypto is not compatible with financial legislation as written, in the sense of having a third party (the state) back up your assets, it's not necessarily incompatible with law itself. It wouldn't be shocking to me if a government explicitly circumscribed parts of crypto as an unregulated space, where they legally provide no guarantees about asset protection. But I doubt the US government would do something a little risky like this.

Re: Crypto unlikely to survive as investment if unregulated, SEC chairman says

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It is difficult to get a crypto proponent to understand something, when their crypto wealth depends on them not understanding it. EDIT: If you steal my gold or other metal store of value, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (either the actual materials lost or fiat value). If you steal my single named security, I can pursue you in court and recover my loss (or the clearinghouse will reverse the transaction)…

Fun fact but the gov basically stole gold from ppl b4 in the good ole USA. They made it illegal to hold - if you were caught having gold it was a 10k fine. PPL were forced to go to their banks and sell their gold at a loss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102#:~:text=E....

That article uses the term hoarding but don't be fooled they made holding any relevant amount of gold for investment illegal. You were still allowed to have gold necklaces and the like though

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