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Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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As pointed out by the original Neowin article [0], Google has been abusing its power for years in basically the same way. Two wrongs don't make a right, but Google is far from the "good guy" here.

[0] https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-says-its-own-edge-brow...

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Would the words have been over 160 characters?

The 160 character limit is an ancient relic of 2008 (unlike Chrome)

The 160 limit per message segment is absolutely still a thing, but when you receive a message >160 characters your phone stitches the segments back together for you so you don't notice.

Why this matters: SMS delivery is usually priced per message segment. Going over the 160 limit ~doubles the cost to deliver the text.

(Source: I am the CEO of a company which sends millions of text messages and avoiding 2 segment messages saves us thousands each month!)

All that said, the text from the above commenter's loan servicer is unprofessional nonsense regardless of its length.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

Great post until: > But F* windows and F* windows people in IT. The whole lot of em Maybe leave the late 90s.

maybe Windows guys should. "look at all this cool stuff Windows can do, that the stuff i was mocking could do 20 years ago".

The way Windows people talk about all the "revolutionary" stuff Windows can do, like just piss off.

This is like the jocks bullying kids for wearing Metallica shirts or NIN shirts freshman year only to act like the biggest fans 2-3 years later.

It's like Star Trek fans getting mocked for decades, just so people who never cared in the first place can tell people who've been fans for 20-30+ years they aren't "real fans" (and banning them from communities for daring to have a critical opinion) b/c they don't gobble up every piece of shit Abrams or Kurtzman puts out.

There's just this trend of people swinging down and then when said thing becomes mainstream, they act like they've been down since day one. the important lesson is that they're cool and smart and in-tune, no matter what.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the words have been over 160 characters?

The 160 character limit is an ancient relic of 2008 (unlike Chrome)

Some providers didn't support concatenated SMS until mid 2010s at least. Lots of software in financial institutions is old. And providers charge more for concatenated SMS still.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Ok, so I don’t condone this behavior by Microsoft or Google, but I do use edge at work since we are a Microsoft heavy company with Sharepoint, teams, outlook, and all that. If we were using Google I’d surely use Chrome, but edge bakes in your Microsoft work profile to the browser and when searching on Bing you can find documents on your internal network easily. I also like the fact that edge supports vertical tabs out of the box.

So here’s my defense of Microsoft taking these steps:

* Google promotes Chrome on YouTube, search, and gmail. Strategically Microsoft needs a message to counter the pop ups on Google sites that are leading to the Chrome download page. It would be much more annoying if you saw this message every time you visited YouTube or Google. The author presents it as the case of someone actively seeking to download Chrome but they could have been lead to the download page from another Google property.

* Many people don’t know that both edge and Chrome use the same engine. When my company mandated edge, people reflexively complained even though they don’t lose anything in terms of speed, extensions or compatibility. For many people knowing that edge has the same browser engine is informative - most non geeks won’t keep up with that.

* if you are working at a Microsoft company, your data is already in the hands of Microsoft and your employer so there’s little privacy to be lost by continuing with edge, but by switching to chrome you bring a 3rd party into the mix.

  * you could argue a lesser version of this for all windows users with the integrations that Microsoft has been pushing.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #49

Microsoft has had a good few years of building up their reputation after their self inflicted blemishes from the IE integration fiasco as well as their EEE mode of operation. Now they are throwing away their good will with smarmy tactics --why? for some short term gains? They were passing Google reputation-wise, of late, but these moves undercut their work of the last few years. It seems they see Google, FB, even App…

And what is good will worth these days? What does that get them?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

as a casual reader, I know this is false.. several HUGE efforts, have failed to gain the eyeballs of readers . repeating that there is only one choice, is not useful or constructive right?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Outside of requiring a newer PC I don't think Win11 is a trainwreck at all, I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago and it's been fine. Auto HDR is neat for games and there's been a UI refresh, other than that it's basically Windows 10.

> I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago The train wreck starts there. Who wants a system that auto upgrades itself without the user permission?

It did offer user permission, it was an icon in my taskbar that prompted for it. I didn't go out of my way to do it though.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #49

Microsoft has had a good few years of building up their reputation after their self inflicted blemishes from the IE integration fiasco as well as their EEE mode of operation. Now they are throwing away their good will with smarmy tactics --why? for some short term gains? They were passing Google reputation-wise, of late, but these moves undercut their work of the last few years. It seems they see Google, FB, even App…

My personal theory is that they see Apple brazenly pushing anti-competitive features with their browser such as disallowing extensions on anything but Safari and they realize that they can't be called out themselves unless the corrupt courts are willing to call out their darling Apple as well.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Every windows since 7 has been a train wreck by my standards. The amount of times I've had a system update just clear my windows profile is objectively abysmal and yet every HN thread someone will go and defend them. No one cares about HDR. How about some decent data retention? I get better frame rates in Linux running wine than I do in windows 10 since the 2020 updates.

What the hell are you doing with your Windows profiles. I've admin'd many Windows machines and have a Windows install AND a VM windows install and have literally never had a problem with windows profile. Have you at least attempted to debug the issue, or can you point to a issue report you have filed? This is someone who uses linux for 99.99% of all computing things, so its not like I'm a Windows shill

I just accept that 10 is buggy at this point and have no desire for an even buggier/jankier 11.

Current bugs: - every MS app store app has the windows image preview program icon, despite following every guide I could find to fix this.

- sometimes WiFi just dies, and won't come back until I disable the card, full reboot, then enable it (Intel 6 chipset AFAIK, so not some noname brand)

- explorer randomly dies when switching virtual desktops and then comes back. I've had this one 3 machines now and I've no clue why.

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