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Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Gotta keep the kids off of windows don't want them to be trapped by Microsoft ecosystem one day

The laptops I give to my kids have always had Linux (Ubuntu) pre-loaded onto them. To my kids, these are just what normal computers look like. The school uses Chromebooks and Macs so far as I know, my kids have never seen Windows.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

#52
post #39

I hope Margrethe Vestager is paying attention, this bullshit is getting egregious. Microsoft not only deserve a fine, but a thorough breaking up into multiple separate entities.

Microsoft can probably argue that they worked very hard to no longer be a monopolist, and as such can't be fined any longer.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of requiring a newer PC I don't think Win11 is a trainwreck at all, I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago and it's been fine. Auto HDR is neat for games and there's been a UI refresh, other than that it's basically Windows 10.

Every windows since 7 has been a train wreck by my standards. The amount of times I've had a system update just clear my windows profile is objectively abysmal and yet every HN thread someone will go and defend them. No one cares about HDR. How about some decent data retention? I get better frame rates in Linux running wine than I do in windows 10 since the 2020 updates.

Not saying that there aren’t issues, but the fact that billions of people use Windows and don’t routinely have their profiles wiped out with every update points to a specific issue with your setup; not a systemic Windows problem.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

#54
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Additional ideas for Edge's PMs: silently corrupt Chrome's binary at download time, and mark the website and the binary as dangerous.

How about just creating an icon with the Chrome logo that opens Edge?

How about a friendly reminder about best practices. A very innocent statement, don't mean no harm by it. Just helping out a friend.

"Did you know that personal files can disappear just like that, just like that? Oh, I just noticed you are downloading Chrome. By the way, you sure those backups are working? You have backups, right? Just saying."

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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> Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733 ...and many more.

You're proving my point. The sources you linked are the eff, a techie's personal blog, arstechnica, and forbes. With the exception of forbes they're all tech niches. Now look at mainstream media. CNN alone has 230K results for google privacy [0]. How many results for microsoft privacy ? 16k [1] [0]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20pr... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+mic…

I chuckled a bit upon seeing those links but quickly realized that DDG gets its results from Bing and Altavista isn't around anymore.

However clean, possibly less bubbled browser, gets number over twice larger on the second link.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

Outside of requiring a newer PC I don't think Win11 is a trainwreck at all, I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago and it's been fine. Auto HDR is neat for games and there's been a UI refresh, other than that it's basically Windows 10.

> I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago

The train wreck starts there. Who wants a system that auto upgrades itself without the user permission?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

#57
post #3

Additional ideas for Edge's PMs: silently corrupt Chrome's binary at download time, and mark the website and the binary as dangerous.

How about just creating an icon with the Chrome logo that opens Edge?

That would probably be a trademark violation?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're proving my point. The sources you linked are the eff, a techie's personal blog, arstechnica, and forbes. With the exception of forbes they're all tech niches. Now look at mainstream media. CNN alone has 230K results for google privacy [0]. How many results for microsoft privacy ? 16k [1] [0]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20pr... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+mic…

You're being intentionally obtuse. Google is a search engine product and a company. Microsoft is just a company. It stands to reason more people would search for the former.

The same search for bing has 5000 results.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection. Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. They're often seen by the public as the solid company behind trusted products like Office and Windows.

HN is on the fore-front of this Google bashing. Just look at this comment on another HN thread about "buy now, pay later". Here's the comment [1] which justifies MS actions: > Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed…

These are multi billion dollar companies that siphon money from all sorts of avenues powered by people’s ability to use the web. It is in their interest to develop these browsers. But they don’t have to syphon even more money from people by doing so. I don’t agree with your assessment.
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