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The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by bigodbiel »

a0-prw wrote: post #39

In Denmark, a law was recently enacted allowing (not requiring) employers to demand a "coronapas" (health passport). Many of the largest municipalities have availed themselves of this possibility (including my employer). You have a valid coronapas if you've been vaccinated, had a negative PCR test in the last 72 hours, or had a negative antigene test in the last 48 hours, or have recovered from covid in the last 6 mo…

But when unvaccinated are shown to have more infection rates, because of constant testing, than vaccinated the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” fear scenario is reinforced.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by sysOpOpPERAND »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #27
csdvrx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate that I’ve ideated suicide more in the past year than the previous 34 combined. Ouch. What about a less "final" idea, like moving to the midwest or Texas? Here we mostly don't care about such things, so it's business as usual!

I’ve considered it. I’m not in any way thinking of moving from ideation to realization. But ideation is scary enough

first of all, i agree. it sucks. it wiped out my business, i have asthma and it feels like i can't breath wearing a mask. i live in washington state. my advice is don't move to washington state if you don't like covid-19 extraness.

you would not like it here. we still have a 5-10 person limit at many stores. basically tons of places look like people are waiting in line for a rock concert. as much as i love the mountains and the coffee i am thinking about moving to a less over the top state.

it's rough, hang in there and maybe try and move to another state if it keeps clawing at your mental health.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by a0-prw »

bigodbiel wrote: post #41
a0-prw wrote: post #39

In Denmark, a law was recently enacted allowing (not requiring) employers to demand a "coronapas" (health passport). Many of the largest municipalities have availed themselves of this possibility (including my employer). You have a valid coronapas if you've been vaccinated, had a negative PCR test in the last 72 hours, or had a negative antigene test in the last 48 hours, or have recovered from covid in the last 6 mo…

But when unvaccinated are shown to have more infection rates, because of constant testing, than vaccinated the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” fear scenario is reinforced.

Yes. And that might suit a (hypothetical) hidden agenda. I just don't think the authorities are smart or cynical enough to foresee and plan something like that (in Denmark)

IMO, the responses to the virus have been driven by media hysteria and politicians doing what they think will make them look good.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by [deleted] »

rich_sasha wrote: post #38
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

I mean this question with all respect. For those of you who error towards caution with COVID, do you prefer the world as it is under coronavirus restrictions? Again I am asking this with sincerity, if we could blink away COVID but keep the world as it is (remote work, limited travel, acceptable reason for isolation etc.) would you prefer that world? I hate the world COVID has created . I hate seeing everything throug…

Sounds like you’re having a rough time. I feel for you, pro or against Covid. There is definitely a cost to all this and it must be taken into account. That said, there is a light at the end of this tunnel. Life in the UK, where vaccination rates are very high, is pretty much normal. Everything is open. Masks were optional until the Omicron scare, we’ll see how it goes. Nurseries, cinemas, restaurants all open, prett…

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Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by johnchristopher »

Izkata wrote: post #12
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #11

This letter to the Lancet is interesting and worthy of being on HN. But the title being used ("A Pandemic of the Vaccinated") is misleading. The letter's point is that transmission of the virus by the vaccinated may be more significant than was expected or believed, and that it may be incorrect to ignore the vaccinated when considering public health measures. Nothing more or less.

It's a counter to the catchphrase "pandemic of the unvaccinated" that politicians have been using to put the blame on keeping restrictions on people who haven't gotten vaccinated.

Not later than this morning I heard a ICU doctor using the same wording to describe his daily job so clearly this sentence has different meanings depending on who utters it to who and when.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by qazwsxedchac »

rich_sasha wrote: post #38
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

I mean this question with all respect. For those of you who error towards caution with COVID, do you prefer the world as it is under coronavirus restrictions? Again I am asking this with sincerity, if we could blink away COVID but keep the world as it is (remote work, limited travel, acceptable reason for isolation etc.) would you prefer that world? I hate the world COVID has created . I hate seeing everything throug…

Sounds like you’re having a rough time. I feel for you, pro or against Covid. There is definitely a cost to all this and it must be taken into account. That said, there is a light at the end of this tunnel. Life in the UK, where vaccination rates are very high, is pretty much normal. Everything is open. Masks were optional until the Omicron scare, we’ll see how it goes. Nurseries, cinemas, restaurants all open, prett…

> life is much better net than it was under Bubonic Plague

With all due respect, that's whataboutism. Life is much better than it would be under Ebola, too, but the issue here is that overall quality of life has deteriorated for most humans over the last two years due to the restrictions and interventions related to Covid-19.

> Life in the UK, where vaccination rates are very high, is pretty much normal.

In the UK, but also in many other previously liberal democracies the following are happening at present:

- Freedom of association and freedom of assembly are being made conditional or removed.

- Freedom to travel is being made conditional or removed.

- Freedom to just take part in daily life, e.g. go shopping is being made conditional.

- Freedom to protest is being reduced or removed.

The rule sets under which all this is happening are capricious, changing frequently, based on mostly political considerations with only a sprinkling of scientific reasoning. This removes agency from each of us.

Whether one becomes subject to a restrictive rule by the accident of becoming infected is mostly outside the control of any one person. So this, too, removes agency from each of us.

I see entire countries descending into learned helplessness, while political elites flout the rules they make for others and exploit the urgency of procurement caused by the pandemic to enrich themselves.

This is not a world I want to live in. Improved acceptability of WFH doesn't come close to compensating for all the above.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by mrblampo »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

I mean this question with all respect. For those of you who error towards caution with COVID, do you prefer the world as it is under coronavirus restrictions? Again I am asking this with sincerity, if we could blink away COVID but keep the world as it is (remote work, limited travel, acceptable reason for isolation etc.) would you prefer that world? I hate the world COVID has created . I hate seeing everything throug…

Hey, you are very much not alone. It sounds like these various aspects of isolation have really affected you a lot, and I'm so sorry to hear that how things were with your dad in the hospital. That's terrible.

You've written your question for people who you say err more toward caution than you imply that you do, saying that it is out of genuine curiosity, rather than out of contempt. I hope that's true. I'm sure there must be some especially introverted people who prefer the world the way it is with the most cautionary measures of 2020 in place, but I think most people who support these cautionary measures also dislike them.

Where does that leave us? You are allowed to resent the world, and the people who have imposed all of these measures, for harming you in the way that they have. We are all allowed to feel any feelings about anything, including people who have lost loved ones to covid and resent the non-mask-wearers for it. I don't know how to explain the difference between your feelings and many other people's feelings on covid restrictions. For my own part, they have felt difficult, but not unjust.

Hang in there. Exercise, even just a very little bit, if you are not already. It helps so much with everything, including perspective. Once the vaccines become approved for toddlers and hopefully older babies, I'm hopeful that restrictions will really start to ease.

Hope I haven't made you feel selfish or talked down to. That's not how I think of you based on your post.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

a0-prw wrote: post #43
bigodbiel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But when unvaccinated are shown to have more infection rates, because of constant testing, than vaccinated the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” fear scenario is reinforced.

Yes. And that might suit a (hypothetical) hidden agenda. I just don't think the authorities are smart or cynical enough to foresee and plan something like that (in Denmark) IMO, the responses to the virus have been driven by media hysteria and politicians doing what they think will make them look good.

>Yes. And that might suit a (hypothetical) hidden agenda. I just don't think the authorities are smart or cynical enough to foresee and plan something like that (in Denmark)

What is hidden or hypothetical about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

The first book came out in 2010 post financial crisis. The whole design is about fighting against STEM and producing an economy in which creativity is rewarded. The politicians took that are twisted it to their needs.

https://imgur.com/C9bqUfh

Zoom in and read exactly what they are still working on. Bonus points if you see what isn't labelled on that graph.

>IMO, the responses to the virus have been driven by media hysteria and politicians doing what they think will make them look good.

It's really just the next step. In which if you say that producing all these infographics and having a large cohort of support clearly indicates intention. It's appropriate for elected officials to have these plans. There is no 'conspiracy' but what do you think about the possibility that these folks were driving the public to hysteria in order to justify these plans?

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Post by AstralStorm »

cma wrote: post #31
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in the US. Where I live masks are required indoors under all circumstances regardless of vaccine status. Indoor dining has been allowed for a few months now but there’s talk of introducing restrictions again. It’s not so much how it is today, it’s the damage yesterday had done. And it’s the sword of Damocles that hangs over us all at the whisper of a new variant

Your mask isn't fitting right if it is fogging your glasses. Check for tips on fitting or other solutions like medical tape over nose bridge.

There are also masks that come with additional foam gaskets or have a fully moldable outline, not just the nose piece.

I had a problem where the masks either leaked at the nose or right where the nose wire ended no matter what I did. Got some of them with foam gasket, no problem anymore

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