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Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by aj3 »

orangepanda wrote: post #287
aj3 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's awesome for phishing.

It is. Would require an actual solution to prevent phishing - it's easy to overlook facebook.com.example.com I highly doubt showing the domain prevents any meaningful amount of phishing attempts.

AFAIK, there are exactly two ways to avoid getting phished. One is using physical security keys (not implemented everywhere and we can't expect everyone in the world to buy one). The second one is checking the domain you're in.

Please, do elaborate on what other ways of phishing preventions you have in minds.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by account42 »

petilon wrote: post #262
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

A related problem is, how do you make sure the domain goes to whoever values it most, as opposed to whoever thought of the name first? In the .com space a lot of good domain names are taken up by people who are not putting it to good use. I am not talking about parked domains, but people who upload an "under construction" gif and then don't update the page for the next 5 years. Maybe domain names should cost more.

> A related problem is, how do you make sure the domain goes to whoever values it most

Why should it go to whoever values it the most? And what do you even mean by thet? Whoever is willing to pay the most?

Domains are most useful as a stable human readable name for a server/service. If someone comes along later with a "better" use is not a reason to take the name away since that (or doing so indirectly by increasing the cost past what the owner can/wants to bear) would destroy the main value of domains in the first place.

And who are you to judge that an under construction gif is not a valid use of a domain. Maybe that gif is what the hoster wants to have there. Maybe there is more content that you don't know the path of. Maybe there are other non-HTTP services on that domain.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by account42 »

ricardo81 wrote: post #201
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

Nuking 'domain tasting' would be a start.

I'd go one step further: Disallow corporations from selling public namespaces. Domain tasting exists because it encourages more registrations which is profitable for the registrars.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by account42 »

Pxtl wrote: post #180
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

> without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site Don't buy a .io domain for your personal site - stick to the gTLDs or national TLDs that are run by trusted governments (for reference, I have a .ca TLD because I trust the Canadian government to keep the cost roughly competitive with gTLDs). ccTLDs that have been bought by private companies are essentially privatized in a way tha…

> ccTLDs that have been bought by private companies

It should not even be possible for companies to buy ccTLDs.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by account42 »

ricardo81 wrote: post #198
ted0 wrote: post #186

Ted from Namecheap here. Donuts, who now operates the .io TLD, is only increasing the wholesale price by ~10%. We are still obviously not happy about this since it's always our goal to ensure that domain pricing is as accessible as possible to our customers. It would appear that Gandi has just chosen to substantially increase their markup as part of this Donuts update. Our pricing will likely only increase a small am…

TBF to Gandhi, IIRC they tend to give favourable prices when you buy domains or deposit funds in bulk. Their opening tier of prices are indeed pricey. Their API is excellent though. I've always found Namecheap to be price competitive and their customer service is pretty good also. API was always a bit basic (think that had a lot to do with enom implementation)

I'm not sure how giving favorable pricing to bulk purchasers (i.e. mostly squatters) is a positive thing for domains.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by Aissen »

ted0 wrote: post #186

Ted from Namecheap here. Donuts, who now operates the .io TLD, is only increasing the wholesale price by ~10%. We are still obviously not happy about this since it's always our goal to ensure that domain pricing is as accessible as possible to our customers. It would appear that Gandi has just chosen to substantially increase their markup as part of this Donuts update. Our pricing will likely only increase a small am…

Hi Ted, this seemed a bit outrageous, so I asked the question to Gandi on Twitter. It seems what you're talking about is the "promotion price", see: https://twitter.com/gandi_net/status/1466358344998965253

And since I wasn't the only one to ask, we now know that the actual bulk price will increase 50%: https://twitter.com/gandibar/status/1466313609475198981

Which means that Gandi is in fact reducing its relative margin. I'm curious about you opinion on this. In particular, how different are bulk and promotion prices ?

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by trogdor »

alexlmiller wrote: post #268
aimor wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought is to require all domains be sold for the same set price (or at least constant for each TLD). If someone wants to register 1,000 domains let them, but don't allow them to profit off that. If someone breaks the rule, revoke the domain. I'd like to hear reasons why this is a bad idea so I can stop thinking about it every time I get priced out.

Other folks have already pointed out how this is unenforceable, but I'll give a very tangible example. Twitter (and Instagram) ToS prohibit selling handles and yet I've been on both sides of those transactions before. You just offer the person a "consulting" contract, part of which is delivering the handle

Why wouldn't the buyer just pay the seller and not bother with smoke and mirrors? It's not as if Twitter or Instagram know about the "consulting" contract.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by account42 »

kijin wrote: post #168
MisterSandman wrote: post #49

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How is .me? It's used a lot by students for their portfolio, I bit the bullet but wondering if I screwed up.

IMO .me is one of the safer ccTLDs. It's from a fairly stable country that hasn't been keen to hike up the prices or impose restrictions on who can have their domains so far; it's not often associated with spam; and it's even used by large companies like Facebook (fb.me). When it comes to pricing, though, you never know what will happen down the road. I honestly don't know who I'd like to trust more: Verisign or the…

> When it comes to pricing, though, you never know what will happen down the road. I honestly don't know who I'd like to trust more: Verisign or the government of Montenegro?

Since .me is more targetet at / suitable for individuals rather than a hipster startup domain like .io, the prices will hopefully remain lower. Or at least that's what I like to tell myself.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by Macha »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #46
throwvirtever wrote: post #24

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Is there any objective reason (performance, reliability, etc) to avoid certain TLDs?

A couple, but they're all "human" reasons and not really technical. The TLDs records will be served off the gTLD nameservers like everything else, you can change your own nameservers from there, and DNS is slow as hell anyway (by modern standards) so it's already not like it's tightly optimized usually, and performance as perceived by the end user is greatly predicated on how warm their cache is. So any performance d…

> Imagine if Amazon.co.uk was the real Amazon and Amazon.com was like

This is actually an interesting example, because Amazon.com is a US/Canada specific site, while Amazon.co.uk is the UK/Ireland site (though I'd imagine they'll eventually either set up an Amazon.ie or change the redirect to Amazon.de with the tax/import brexit implications of that). So while all domains are Amazon owned, I wouldn't say Amazon has .com primacy over regional domains.

Ditto for google search, though the rest of their products are on google.com for me (I think gmail used to be googlemail.co.uk in the UK and googlemail.de in Germany because of local companies who had the gmail name first, until Google bought out the names from the local owners).

All the web 2.0 or newer companies are .com rather than regionalised though.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by Pxtl »

account42 wrote: post #294
Pxtl wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site Don't buy a .io domain for your personal site - stick to the gTLDs or national TLDs that are run by trusted governments (for reference, I have a .ca TLD because I trust the Canadian government to keep the cost roughly competitive with gTLDs). ccTLDs that have been bought by private companies are essentially privatized in a way tha…

> ccTLDs that have been bought by private companies It should not even be possible for companies to buy ccTLDs.

Why not? ccTLDs were for countries to do with as they choose. If they sold/leased-so-loosely-that-it's-basically-sold their ccTLD to a private business to operate, who is ICANN to tell them different?
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