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The lost world of physicality

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Re: The lost world of physicality

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Ah, I see this is getting some love from the HN crowd. Very interested to hear people's opinions and very, very interested in original research that covers any of the topics mentioned.

You might also be interested in Nicholas Carr's blog, he writes about similar things. I think it is worth following it, if only as a contrast to the tech-utopianism of HN: http://www.roughtype.com/index.php

To me, Carr mostly comes across as trolling.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Real worlds are filled with dirt, hazards, sensation, pleasure, effort and more. The virtual world is clean, colourful, free of danger and effortless.

Heh, and then come along malware authors, spammers and scammers. I doubt virtual worlds will be entire free of danger; just as it's possible to break a leg through stupidity, I imagine it'll still be just as easy to delete C:\Windows ;)

Re: The lost world of physicality

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There was someone in a talk or podcast (damn, when can we get search engines for our memories?) who discussed the idea of creating physical tokens as representations of virtual objects or events. With the arrival of cheap 3D printers, there is now the possibility of making personalized tokens.

As for offered books, I think hardcovers will become the tokens; for example, for Cory Doctorow's With a Little Help (which I've never read), the hardcover edition comes with an SD card with the ebook and even a audiobook.

And the reality is that at least for me, only one in ten books or so actually have any meaning besides the content; most are just books I bought for myself for no special occasion, and I don't really benefit from the space they take.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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I have the opposite experience: freed from absolute reliance on physical objects, my experience and enjoyment of them have multiplied. I find myself carefully selecting the objects I share space with and I have more time to wander public space because I'm not tethered to a single location.

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Real worlds are filled with dirt, hazards, sensation, pleasure, effort and more. The virtual world is clean, colourful, free of danger and effortless. Heh, and then come along malware authors, spammers and scammers. I doubt virtual worlds will be entire free of danger; just as it's possible to break a leg through stupidity, I imagine it'll still be just as easy to delete C:\Windows ;)

You are correct in saying that the virtual world is not free from hazards. However, the difference is in feedback and evolutionary development.

In the real world, you feel the snakebite or the hot stove burner. When approached by a stranger or walking through an unknown neighborhood, thousands of years of predator-prey evolution gives you the feeling that something is wrong and you should flee.

We haven't evolved these levels of intuition for the virtual world. I can open a harmless looking email and infect my home network with a virus and never know it happened. I can't reliably tell if the person I'm chatting with is a predator or a friend.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Well, my 3 and 1 year old also have playdoh and lego, and love playing outside. And can also play Angry Birds.

If the physical world is being 'lost' then an alternative cause (in the UK at least) might be the amount of it available per person because of increased densities of living.

Wolfram Alpha shows: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=uk+population+density

2011 - 663 people per square mile

1911 - 425 people per square mile

Re: The lost world of physicality

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> The virtual world is clean, colourful, free of danger and effortless.

Actually, the virtual world is highly dangerous: the life-long risks of sedentary inactivity are well understood. From a risk management perspective, I'll take the dangers of the real world any day.

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might also be interested in Nicholas Carr's blog, he writes about similar things. I think it is worth following it, if only as a contrast to the tech-utopianism of HN: http://www.roughtype.com/index.php

To me, Carr mostly comes across as trolling.

It's not just baseless ranting (well, not all the time), as he does provide arguments. But he's very contrarian in this day and age. His views sometimes border on Luddism :-)

But there is some truth in it. In a way, in our quest for efficiency, comfort and safety, we are losing touch with nature, and even with the physical world. I feel that as we become more dependent on technology we become more like domesticated pets of "the machine".

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Some quick reactions: To have a fair discussion, you would have to look at both the problems and benefits of losing physicality. There is a danger of clinging on it to it purely for nostalgia, which I think is largely the case with books. My hunch is that kids' imagination will actually expand with virtual worlds. Another advantage is they will be better educated. Like my wife says, "I wish I had Google when I was a…

It would be interesting to know what kind of behavioral changes have been seen on a mass scale in countries where computers etc are an inseparable part of life and countries where you would have to be affluent to afford a comupter ... I think that could point out some of the differences that are there ..

Re: The lost world of physicality

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Real worlds are filled with dirt, hazards, sensation, pleasure, effort and more. The virtual world is clean, colourful, free of danger and effortless. Heh, and then come along malware authors, spammers and scammers. I doubt virtual worlds will be entire free of danger; just as it's possible to break a leg through stupidity, I imagine it'll still be just as easy to delete C:\Windows ;)

And here the physical world comes to the rescue - get yourself a new computer when your old one is infested with malware!
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