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Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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We've entered a culture fueled by indignation, where every apparent slight contradiction is waved like a flag and denounced as a conspiracy. Reality is nuanced. That's all been lost in public discourse. Because there's no thrill in that.

> Because there's no thrill in that No, it's because there's no political gain in that. This is a result of politicizing everything.

Not why the rank and file do it. It may be politically related, but most folks are just essentially trolling. It's become a national pastime

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Both my parents, sister, and a slew of friends and co-workers have had "breakthrough infections" from covid, I'm not really sure (if you're not getting boosters) whether you even have protection from regular let alone Omicron at this point.

That only means you're in the place with a lot virus flowing around, nothing else. Vaccine stimulate your immune system to lower the chance to get infected, and even if infected much lower chance to get severely damaged.

I hate to put it in these terms, but do you have credible peer reviewed literature on this claim? What you're saying is exactly what state media & state authorities started espousing after everyone realized the vaccine didn't offer the protection everyone had assumed and been promised. I'm wondering if there is any actual evidence for their claims or if it's just saving face and moving goal posts.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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post #99

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> Because there's no thrill in that No, it's because there's no political gain in that. This is a result of politicizing everything.

Not why the rank and file do it. It may be politically related, but most folks are just essentially trolling. It's become a national pastime

Trolling as a national pastime - I think you're onto something!

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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> with very limited exceptions. So again not a mandate. Good luck on your lawsuit, you'll need it. edit: Since you called me dishonest, I'll explain exactly why I think you'll need luck on your lawsuit: I understand you are highly charged about this issue due to your being involved in a lawsuit, so you seem to be in litigation attack mode. That's understandable. But calling the other side dishonest and not worthy of…

> So again not a mandate https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2021/10/manda... Look at what the government calls it: "Mandatory COVID-19 vaccination requirements for federally regulated transportation employees and travellers" Notice the "Mandatory". You are being purposefully dishonest. This discussion is not worth proceeding.

Mandatory doesn't mean that it's been mandated. They're two separate words with separate meanings.

but you're right about this: >This discussion is not worth proceeding.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Publishing the story is itself an editorial decision.

Are you asking for self-censorship of facts?

You want to hear all of the facts? Well, sit down and get comfy, we are going to be here for a while…

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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It is an existence proof of two. People, in this case two people, did get it.

I'm honestly having trouble deciding if you're trolling or not. Do you really not understand that it's not binary but about the chances? isn't it simply how many out of a some big number of vaccinated got it and how bad did they get it, versus how many out of the same big number of non-vaccinated people got it, and how bad did they get it?

Yes, we all understand that. You have to use Bayesian reasoning here. The prior probability of one person infecting another they've spent little time next to, if the vaccines are "extremely effective" to use the claims we've all heard, is very, very low. That's the whole point of saying the vaccines are effective.

What you're arguing is that this event is merely an extreme fluke that a hungry press managed to dredge out of ... somewhere. That doesn't hold water because Omicron is only days old as a recognized variant at all, and these aren't 'two random people' but rather one clearly and recognizably infecting another in a low density space (e.g. not a conference or other big accumulation of people), despite that they're doctors and thus highly vaccinated.

Now, here's something to chew on. The claims of vaccine efficacy you keep reading are all wrong. They aren't measures of relative likelihoods of getting infected as you might imagine. They are heavily adjusted using a statistical methodology that's known to malfunction in the presence of variants. The raw, unadjusted data is unfortunately hidden almost everywhere, except England, where the public health authorities publish it alongside the adjusted numbers. And the raw numbers show that vaccination makes people more likely to get infected, not less. The rates per 100k are higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

This has led to the ultimate absurdity of the UK public health agency claiming, "Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection".

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-...

Someone made a dashboard you can use the explore the UK numbers here:

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/t.coddington/viz/UKRe...

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