This seems a lot like competition for 'Azure for Operators' offering from Microsoft.
AWS Private 5G
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Re: AWS Private 5G
#332It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…
Spot on. This could be a game changer for us ($xB 100+ year old manufacturing company), where we are on a long, slow journey to digitize every piece of manufacturing (long and slow because manufacturing runs almost 24x7x365). Wifi, even the top enterprise systems, is not as resilient, cheap and quickly installed as we'd like. So now I can use 5G instead, and template and deploy it via the cloud? Yes, yes! We'll put t…
Nokia has been the pioneer in Private wireless networks. They have already deployed production ready private LTE / 5G systems in ports and factories.
For more info: https://dac.nokia.com/private-wireless/
Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.
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#333Nokia has been the pioneer in Private wireless networks. They have already deployed production ready private LTE / 5G systems in ports and factories.
For more info: https://dac.nokia.com/private-wireless/
Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spot on. This could be a game changer for us ($xB 100+ year old manufacturing company), where we are on a long, slow journey to digitize every piece of manufacturing (long and slow because manufacturing runs almost 24x7x365). Wifi, even the top enterprise systems, is not as resilient, cheap and quickly installed as we'd like. So now I can use 5G instead, and template and deploy it via the cloud? Yes, yes! We'll put t…
"deploy it via the cloud" doesn't actually mean anything and confuses people. You still need to set up hardware at your own enterprise! It's NOT the same as renting a VM in a datacenter and "deploying" it in the cloud. Sure, it might have a good UX and not require as much expertise to manage, but it's not "deploy via cloud". That's just marketing.
Telecom networks have a seriously complex back-end, that's what makes them better for larger areas than Wifi. A commercial mobile network typically has a few racks of machines below the antenna mast to run the radio systems, and then uses a fiber connection back to a mode central place to control those radios. In this case you're deploying (much smaller) local radios and AWS runs everything else in the cloud.
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Unsure. But private LTE is already a thing where you can install your own towers onprem and configure your devices to connect to those towers instead of the ones of your standard AT&T provider (or whatever). I don't think there's any magic voodoo involved. I assume there's a way to configure 5G capable devices to connect to some local physical network you set up at a factory. I don't expect this is for telephony, but…
Faster and more robust for the use case than wifi, I imagine. The wifi spec isn't really optimized for large-scale mesh networks, while this is precisely the use-case 5g was developed for.
Can you share a reference showing the support for mesh in 5G (large scale or not)? As in, the equivalent of IEEE 802.11s for WiFi?
I can't find anything about that.
Or did you actually mean "cellular"? Mesh indicates a deployment where not all access points have a backbone connection. Cellular indicates a deployment where all access points have a backbone connection.
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Because certain vendor from certain country have a huge patent portfolio on Autonomous vehicle (AV) and wanted it to rely on 5G so that everything is centralised and could easily be controlled in the name of traffic shaping ( cough ). And somehow ( cough ) EU was brought into the whole thing until a Saint appeared, after being banished to hell he finally came back and convinced enough people AV with 5G would need to…
Any reason for the obfuscation?
Those who knows it would instantly understand. Those who dont could fact check it themselves.
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As somebody not very well-versed in this, a sincere question. Would something like 5g be able to replace a home intranet / network? Eg I have a personal media server that I stream to devices on my wifi--would this be able to work with 5g? From my perspective 5g can only replace internet access, yes? Devices that want to communicate with each other securely would still prefer to be connected over wifi or other persona…
The part of 5G that gets thrown around a lot with high speed and capacity is mostly based on mmWave bands(think 10's of Ghz) which attenuate incredibly quick. Most of them are nearly direct line of sight. You already see some issue with 5Ghz wifi not going well through walls, there's a high chance you'd be falling back to one of the lower speed bands inside. The other thing is there's a non-zero amount overlap in the…
This would seem like an argument for installing wired / wire->mesh 5G base stations around our houses instead of the wifi repeaters we currently use..
Amazon in the past flirted with the idea of building a mesh network of Amazon IOT devices so that your neighbours Echo could connect yours to the internet even if you didn't have a connection. BT in the UK offered reduced price broadband if other BT customers could use a WiFi Guest network from your connection - so BT customers had like 90% free wifi coverage in cities.
I can see a amazon deploying Amazon Echos and automation poducts as 5G enabled IOT devices that backhaul to your home internet but also mesh with neighbours, then eventually deploying its own outdoor 5G coverage and suddenly becoming a mobile network.
Re: AWS Private 5G
#338Catching up with Azure, I see. Edge Zones has been available since May. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/private-multi-ac...
I think that is the same as AWS Wavelength which launched in 2019.
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2019/12/announcin...
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Starlink could be that backhaul. Future terminals will have 1Gbps.
You don't even need that much bandwidth. I had no problem doing LTE over WiFi with a 1Mbit DSL line, with like 256k up on a good day.
Man, all that work to get worse voice quality than the 1900s... on a good day.
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Starting from LTE, there's no distinction in the network level between data and voice or SMS, it's all just IP traffic. The voice call protocol is called VoLTE. As long as your handset can reach the VoLTE infrastructure via IP, you can make and receive calls. This actually works already over WiFi too and that's called VoWiFi. That does not support handovers between networks though, so it is not that convenient. Speci…
To have VoLTE or VoNR (the 5G version) the SIP based software handling your calls needs to interact directly with the software stack managed by the operator via a bunch of other telco protocols. I don't think you will be able to support "regular" calls/SMS without if it is not supported by amazon.
looks like it might be possible?