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Way too cold. The way forward is the Meatverse ( https://meatver.se )

Lol. I feel like this was created only for the proof-of-steak pun!

Can't confirm nor deny, I'm just sad that few people seem to get the "cryptographic hache" one :(

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It is just giving some transparency into things that have already been happening Didn’t know people spent that much? Companies selling collectibles and companies selling play 2 earn stuff knew

I'm saying it might be lousy information that's been intentionally distorted and not a realistic view of the actual dollar worth. In the same way hundreds of thousands of dollars of virtual spaceships aren't destroyed even though the conversion can be made. It's an illusory comparison.

$600k in a cryptocurrency is sellable for that much cash.

$600K in a NFT is sellable for that much cash, or the nearest bid, no different than Ebay.

Wash trades also occur. People are discouraged from that due to transaction fees. Some people aren't discouraged from that.

Re: Introducing the Icelandverse [video]

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I'm saying it might be lousy information that's been intentionally distorted and not a realistic view of the actual dollar worth. In the same way hundreds of thousands of dollars of virtual spaceships aren't destroyed even though the conversion can be made. It's an illusory comparison.

$600k in a cryptocurrency is sellable for that much cash. $600K in a NFT is sellable for that much cash, or the nearest bid, no different than Ebay. Wash trades also occur. People are discouraged from that due to transaction fees. Some people aren't discouraged from that.

When someone chucks $600k into an NFT from dollars for some virtual land I'll be much more likely to believe that it's actually worth that (to the individual) if it's demonstrably not a wash trade. And 'or nearest bid' is doing a lot of work. Lots of NFTs out there with a big disparity between bid amounts and asking price.

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>A large portion of what I refereed to "the rest of the world" is as distant from us as the middle ages. Sure, you could argue that billions are poured into bridging that gap but the simple truth is that never works. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-population-in-ex...

> The share of individuals living below the 'International Poverty Line' of 1.90 international-$ per day. 1.90 is absurdly low. That totals to $57 for a 30 day month. That hardly covers just your food and water intake in most areas of the world. If you live in the temperate climate zones where fresh water isn't extremely limited and your menu consists solely of rice and potatoes... Maybe, just maybe. I live in a rela…

Most (all?) people on incomes like that practice subsistence farming and/or natural economy.

Also, state pension for many Russians (and Russia usually isn't considered a very poor country) is in the range of $130, which is just about twice higher. Add the fact that private pensions are very rare there, and you can see how thinking that that's "absurdly low" is a pretty privileged position.

Re: Introducing the Icelandverse [video]

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So, I am sure this video is very likeable and all. But I don't think metaverse is a total bullshit. Virtual is an experience as well. You can't for example experience flying without risk in real world and for some people experiencing those sort of things might be cheaper in the metaverse. Again I am not sure what metaverse companies are planning to form. But to me it looks like a interesting future.

Re: Introducing the Icelandverse [video]

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$600k in a cryptocurrency is sellable for that much cash. $600K in a NFT is sellable for that much cash, or the nearest bid, no different than Ebay. Wash trades also occur. People are discouraged from that due to transaction fees. Some people aren't discouraged from that.

When someone chucks $600k into an NFT from dollars for some virtual land I'll be much more likely to believe that it's actually worth that (to the individual) if it's demonstrably not a wash trade. And 'or nearest bid' is doing a lot of work. Lots of NFTs out there with a big disparity between bid amounts and asking price.

spend 2 minutes on an NFT marketplace? there are many trades between addresses that have registered aliases via ENS, which is the best way to determine if something is not a wash trade. Noteworthy is that you are starting from the opinion that things are wash trades, while the NFT users are not, and given the amount of energy necessary to support this opinion from someone not even participating it makes me wonder if any observation is possible to contradict your stance.

would you like a specific trade to debate? does it have to be $600k for this standard? I see some decentraland plots recently traded for $20,000.

thinking further about it, its easier if you owned an NFT other people were interested in, because then the bids - if they arise - would be from other people and you'll be one less person that would hold the likely wash trade idea. many NFTs are free to acquire during their initial creation.

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As I see it Roslings optimism stems from looking at changes over tens of years and the progress that’s visible on these timescales.

I'm pretty sure the events surrounding COVID has undone most of that progress(assuming there's any left at this point). Our survival as a species is incredibly fragile and even more so with social media facilitating propaganda and misinformation. Even in developed countries, the situation is nothing short of depressing.

I thought about this as well and I'm not sure.

COVID potentially kills older and more vulnerable people. This might have reduced the burden for some people.

Of course payed by death which is never good but perhaps from a statistics point of view in 10 years.

I thought about this also when thinking about climate change and I think that might have a much more general bad effect.

In a world with a lot of riches (tons of still existing infrastructure) strong weather scenarios can destroy old and critical infrastructure much faster than time.

USA only were able to get more budget for infrastructure with Biden and have a huge deficit.

COVID is very weird as human life feels very cheap. While lots of people don't want to wear a mask (low effort) to save a life and in parallel we pay so much money as a society when someone has cancer and needs very expensive medication.

Let's give that person x access to medical procedures which cost a million and let others die while it would cost us much less to help them.for me personally COVID tanked my general assumption that we would be much more reasonable.

Not sure how to determine the loose on trust.

Re: Introducing the Icelandverse [video]

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Loved it! Here’s another good video in a similar vein I’ve enjoyed lately: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tQzCqkIQ60&feature=emb_title .

That one definitely has a Veridian Dynamics vibe https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoDWg2nJ8ew

That show came about before its time.

Re: Introducing the Icelandverse [video]

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> The share of individuals living below the 'International Poverty Line' of 1.90 international-$ per day. 1.90 is absurdly low. That totals to $57 for a 30 day month. That hardly covers just your food and water intake in most areas of the world. If you live in the temperate climate zones where fresh water isn't extremely limited and your menu consists solely of rice and potatoes... Maybe, just maybe. I live in a rela…

Most (all?) people on incomes like that practice subsistence farming and/or natural economy. Also, state pension for many Russians (and Russia usually isn't considered a very poor country) is in the range of $130, which is just about twice higher. Add the fact that private pensions are very rare there, and you can see how thinking that that's "absurdly low" is a pretty privileged position.

I live in a country which is similar standards to Russia in that regard(say hi to the origin of your alphabet), so it's definitely not from a privileged position. Yeah, I make magnitudes above the average but that hasn't always been the case - growing in the 90's in a family which was considered a state enemy until the end of the communist regime is anything but privileged, as you can probably imagine. I've been in positions where an additional expense of 25$ seemed as distant as 1 billion. 130 may not seem all that different to you from 57 but to those with 57 in their pockets, 130 look worlds apart. Farming and natural economy is only applicable in rural areas. With the ongoing global urbanization, this will likely become more and more rare in the following decades, granted we recover from the effects of covid eventually, which I kinda doubt at this point.
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