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Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by InsomniacL »

cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

Don't Sell domains, instead sell a licence to use that domain.

You cannot sell the licence to somebody else, however if you sell the business/website etc, the domain transfers with it.

Sure, there will be a black market, however with the threat of having your domain licence revoked for breaking the licence agreement, I'm sure this will act as a sufficient deterrent.

Kind of like an OS licence, I can sell the desktop and the licence stays with the hardware (aka website), but I cannot sell my OS licence separately to somebody else.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

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Post by csomar »

aimor wrote: post #60
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

My thought is to require all domains be sold for the same set price (or at least constant for each TLD). If someone wants to register 1,000 domains let them, but don't allow them to profit off that. If someone breaks the rule, revoke the domain. I'd like to hear reasons why this is a bad idea so I can stop thinking about it every time I get priced out.

What’s the next step? Communism for the Internet?

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#103

Post by WhyNotHugo »

aimor wrote: post #38

What's the reasoning or history behind why domain prices A) vary between TLDs and B) are allowed to be sold at any price (think huge markups from domain speculating)?

Once you have enough users, you can raise the price and they can't easily flee.

For example, I (regrettably) have a .io domain with my own email, and moving away from it would be super painful. I'd have to make sure that I update my email *everywhere* (or risk my accounts getting hijacked), and even reach out to people with whom I communicate very infrequently.

TBH, I _should_ do it, but I can image that taking around a year.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#104

Post by pawelk »

andruby wrote: post #81
aimor wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought is to require all domains be sold for the same set price (or at least constant for each TLD). If someone wants to register 1,000 domains let them, but don't allow them to profit off that. If someone breaks the rule, revoke the domain. I'd like to hear reasons why this is a bad idea so I can stop thinking about it every time I get priced out.

that seems like a nightmare to check. if 100 parties want to buy a specific domain from me (say: database.io), the incentive to sugar the deal will be huge. Why wouldn't I sell it to the party that'll gift me a Tesla when I sell them the domain for the fixed price?

Or just put on the invoice:

  domain transfer: $49.00

  totally unrelated consulting services: $49,951.00

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#105

Post by RicoElectrico »

athenot wrote: post #41
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

At this point, there are many alternative gTLDs that can be used for personal sites, and quite a few are super cheap. Maybe the squatters will catch up and eventually buy them all up but for now there's a decent availability.

Can you suggest one? I'm interested in a gTLD that won't raise its prices suddenly and is of good reputation - so FB and co. won't block it.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#106

Post by ziddoap »

missedthecue wrote: post #85
sschueller wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their website: "OUR ETHOS Drive prosperity for all stakeholders We believe that long-term success is best accomplished through a thriving ecosystem in which prosperity is shared amongst all stakeholders." [1] Bullshit, they exist to squeeze every little penny left in a company out and then dump the hollowed out remains on the stock market to die. [1] https://ethoscapital.com/about-us/

Who exactly are you quoting? Or did you pull a completely random quote from somewhere off the internet solely in order to grind your axe in a vaguely related discussion thread?

>Who exactly are you quoting?

They are quoting the page they linked, which is the Ethos Capital "About Us" page, where they have written the above quote under the heading "Our Ethos".

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#107

Post by slig »

mrv_dev wrote: post #22

Build an amazing app/platform/service. Host it on whatever tld is cheaper/convenient/some_other_criteria. No one will care what the extension is - especially with current and upcoming consumption models (mobile apps, vr/ar, and so on).

It's not that simple. See @substack's example. He has the .net domain, and now a new company with unlimited $ bought the .com.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#108

Post by ryguytilidie »

missedthecue wrote: post #85
sschueller wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their website: "OUR ETHOS Drive prosperity for all stakeholders We believe that long-term success is best accomplished through a thriving ecosystem in which prosperity is shared amongst all stakeholders." [1] Bullshit, they exist to squeeze every little penny left in a company out and then dump the hollowed out remains on the stock market to die. [1] https://ethoscapital.com/about-us/

Who exactly are you quoting? Or did you pull a completely random quote from somewhere off the internet solely in order to grind your axe in a vaguely related discussion thread?

He's literally quoting their website. He even linked the exact thing.

Now that we've established what actually happened with that other guy, what were YOU doing here? You seemed to intentionally misunderstand the post so that you could get angry at a stranger on the internet? Maybe its time for a little break from interacting with people on the internet?

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#109

Post by dspillett »

aimor wrote: post #60
cj wrote: post #15

How do we create an incentive model that kills the “parked domain” industry without out pricing people who want to host a legitimate non-commercial personal site? At first glance I was happy to see the headline because it means it’ll be more expensive for squatters to profit, but then I do sympathize with people using these domains for legitimate non-commercial purposes.

My thought is to require all domains be sold for the same set price (or at least constant for each TLD). If someone wants to register 1,000 domains let them, but don't allow them to profit off that. If someone breaks the rule, revoke the domain. I'd like to hear reasons why this is a bad idea so I can stop thinking about it every time I get priced out.

> I'd like to hear reasons why this is a bad idea

1. It is practically impossible to enforce. Maybe exactly the right amount of money changed hands in one transaction, but how do you know there were no other related transactions perhaps via anonymous crypto transfers or entirely off-net (the good 'ol brown envelope full of cash) or by non-monetary exchange (service rendered).

2. It punishes the final buyer, so the scalper in the middle doesn't care. It may put buyers off so reduce the competition and the prices scalpers can command, but it won't stop them completely. For every scalper that decides it isn't worth bothering because profits are down 50% (figure plucked from thin air) there will be a queue of smaller fish more than happy to take the remaining margin.

Look into attempts that have been made to control big-name concert tickets and how they have all failed - the problem is essentially the same here.

Re: Price increase on .io domains on January 1, 2022 (Renewal: $55.00)

#110

Post by ethbr0 »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #74
eclipsetheworld wrote: post #10

The .io TLD is owned by Ethos Capital. The same private equity company that tried to buy the .org TLD a while ago. Go figure...

I think it's pretty sad how the rights for this get sold around, but the territory to which it belongs gets little to no revenue from domain sales. There's an ongoing complaint seeking repatriation of the domain, and I really hope I'm wrong in speculating that nothing will be done about it.

Man, that is early-Web levels of sordid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io#History

FYI, apparently this is the current state of UN affairs: https://www.lexpress.mu/node/388292 (previous and recent decisions referenced)

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