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Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by runako »

Anechoic wrote: post #6
bko wrote: post #3

> Doughty said the CMS lacked the authority to issue a vaccine mandate that would require more than 2 million unvaccinated healthcare workers to get a coronavirus shot. > "There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million healthcare workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency," wrote Doughty. That's a good point. You can agree that its within the federal authority to mand…

and whose head is appointed by one person Note that while the position is appointed by POTUS, it is a Senate confirmed position - she was approved with a vote of 55-44 [0] (with five R votes). [0] https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...

Not to mention, this is exactly how representative government works. It's not controversial that we do not have a direct vote on Secretary of Defense, a position that arguably has more human impact as the head of CMS.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #7

Garbage ruling from the least democratic branch of government in the US. The whole project of "dismantling the administrative state" of which this decision rolls up to is absolutely insane in 2021 and will lead this country to a path of ruin. This decision is part of a much larger play by Federalist Society judges to remove the ability of our government to do virtually anything.

>Garbage ruling from the least democratic branch of government in the US.

Is... that meant to be a bad thing? Yes, judicial branch should not be directly accountable to voters. In fact, as a Canadian, I find the idea of electing judges to be so thoroughly strange that it almost defies belief. Why the hell would you want your judicial branch to be "democratic", as in directly and immediately beholden to the whims of the mob? It should be behind layers of indirection, only generally accountable to the voters, and with a long lag to boot.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by invokestatic »

bko wrote: post #3

> Doughty said the CMS lacked the authority to issue a vaccine mandate that would require more than 2 million unvaccinated healthcare workers to get a coronavirus shot. > "There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million healthcare workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency," wrote Doughty. That's a good point. You can agree that its within the federal authority to mand…

I think it’s actually reasonable for an agency (CMS) to decide eligibility criteria for receiving federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars. This was authority granted to the agency by Congress. Requiring employees to be vaccinated as a condition to accepting Medicare seems pretty reasonable to me. Just as I would hope hospitals need to meet basic care standards to be eligible as well.

Congress often delegates their power to other agencies. It’s an important regulatory function that allows agencies to adapt to a changing world even in a gridlocked legislature.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by runako »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #8
runako wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that I have never heard of until now CMS is one of the largest government agencies (by budget, >$1T annually).

Technically, perhaps. But really it's a small government agency whose major task is to disburse oodles of cash to people not employed by it.

Either way, ignorance of the existence of CMS is more indicative of a person's general level of ignorance about the US government. If I was just learning about the existence of CMS, I would at least learn a little more about the basics of the existing US government before making proclamations about how it should operate.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by HonestOp001 »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #7

Garbage ruling from the least democratic branch of government in the US. The whole project of "dismantling the administrative state" of which this decision rolls up to is absolutely insane in 2021 and will lead this country to a path of ruin. This decision is part of a much larger play by Federalist Society judges to remove the ability of our government to do virtually anything.

How large should the administrative state get?

We have unelected officials who are making decisions against the will of the people. The entire system is too large for any person to affect change. That is why we see “crises;” they allow people to focus the group onto a crisis. In normal times, the entire industry reverts to how can they increase their size..

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by aklemm »

bko wrote: post #3

> Doughty said the CMS lacked the authority to issue a vaccine mandate that would require more than 2 million unvaccinated healthcare workers to get a coronavirus shot. > "There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million healthcare workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency," wrote Doughty. That's a good point. You can agree that its within the federal authority to mand…

"some agency"? It's an agency put in place and managed (budget, appointments, etc.) BY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. Did you want a direct vote on vaccine mandates? Sometimes it seems people fail to understand what a representative government is.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by sieabahlpark »

runako wrote: post #11
Anechoic wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and whose head is appointed by one person Note that while the position is appointed by POTUS, it is a Senate confirmed position - she was approved with a vote of 55-44 [0] (with five R votes). [0] https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...

Not to mention, this is exactly how representative government works. It's not controversial that we do not have a direct vote on Secretary of Defense, a position that arguably has more human impact as the head of CMS.

Why are you moving the goal posts? No one said the population should directly vote on it. They said the representatives (who the people voted for) should be deciding through the legislature, not through a single appointed person.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by bko »

kitd wrote: post #9
bko wrote: post #3

> Doughty said the CMS lacked the authority to issue a vaccine mandate that would require more than 2 million unvaccinated healthcare workers to get a coronavirus shot. > "There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million healthcare workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency," wrote Doughty. That's a good point. You can agree that its within the federal authority to mand…

You can agree that its within the federal authority to mandate vaccines, but it really should be a decision made and explicitly endorsed by elected representatives rather than some agency (Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services) that I have never heard of until now and whose head is appointed by one person. If the CMS does it, it is a public health decision. Doing it in Congress makes it a political decision. IMO,…

I disagree. It is a political decision to force 2 million Americans to get a vaccine that they don't want under threat of not being allowed to work in their profession. If you disagree with the decision at least you can vote the bastards out.

You're acting like its a trivial procedural matter. These people obviously feel very strongly about it since they're under immense pressure everywhere to get it and they still refuse. Or they may have other reservations, but to dismiss that and just have some nameless faceless un-elected organization intrude in their lives in such a meaningful way is really gross

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by sieabahlpark »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #8
runako wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that I have never heard of until now CMS is one of the largest government agencies (by budget, >$1T annually).

Technically, perhaps. But really it's a small government agency whose major task is to disburse oodles of cash to people not employed by it.

You truly have no idea, do you.
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