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Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by native_samples »

trobertson wrote: post #71
nathanaldensr wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you asking for self-censorship of facts?

From the GP: > Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely The point is that this fact isn't newsworthy... unless Reuters is running an agenda. This article is blatant fearmongering.

Of course it's news. Governments are massively ramping up booster programmes specifically because of Omicron, and here are two doctors at the very same hospital who had it despite having had three shots. Note these are not "two random doctors separated in time by a large amount", they're two doctors who work together. Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected.

People flagging this thread are in denial. This is an event of direct relevance to the justification for government policies affecting billions of people, that's why Reuters considers it newsworthy.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by busymom0 »

KiwiJohnno wrote: post #88
busymom0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are describing falls under "discrimination based on perceived disability" which both Canadian Supreme Court and US Supreme Court have repeatedly frowned upon. The Ontario Human Rights Code includes "any degree of infirmity" in the definition of disability. They also recognize that the definition of disability extends to the actual or perceived possibility that a person may develop a disability in the future.…

Thank you for your informative reply. You are right, regular (as in, weekly or more frequently) testing should also prove effective at preventing the spread amongst both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. But, the key there is you would have to trust people to do the right thing, and actually get tested, and isolate if they test positive. I'm not confident that enough people who won't get vaccinated would comply wit…

I was going to reply but your last paragraph tells me you are bringing some unnecessary biased baggage and stereotyping me as believing in nonsense. I suggest reaching out to a variety of people who are against mandates and you would understand that vast majority of them don’t believe in the nonsense which you are stereotyping me as.

I am not misusing stats. your paragraph about the fully vaccinated cases vs fully vaccinated % in Canada seems to missed the point I made. I stated that week but week, that % has risen and a lot faster now after 3-6 months. Ontario had a 19% jump in fully vaccinated cases between October 10 and November 10. Our fully vaccinated % barely rose in that time. Canada had under 10% vaccinations till June 10th so vast majority of our full vaccinations happened in the last 3-5 months. So as we are now coming off the honeymoon period, the cases of fully vaccinated are drastically rising again.

Firstly, the objectives which our Canadian government has claimed for the mandates claim that vaccines somehow prevent transmission - which is simply not true. And obviously they are not 100% effective - the problem is that these effectiveness drops to 3%-66% after 3-6 months. This is not his typical vaccines for polio, measles etc work.

And if you look at stats from Ireland, Iceland, Belgium, Netherlands, Singapore, UK, Germany etc, you would know the shots aren’t doing what you are claiming they are doing. I have been following this daily and have family in 3 of those countries.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by seba_dos1 »

native_samples wrote: post #91
trobertson wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the GP: > Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely The point is that this fact isn't newsworthy... unless Reuters is running an agenda. This article is blatant fearmongering.

Of course it's news. Governments are massively ramping up booster programmes specifically because of Omicron, and here are two doctors at the very same hospital who had it despite having had three shots. Note these are not "two random doctors separated in time by a large amount", they're two doctors who work together. Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected. People flagging this th…

> Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected.

...and that's a non-news. We know that, we didn't expect anything else for a long time now since it's also true for other variants. Booster policies were made with that information already taken into account.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by daveguy »

native_samples wrote: post #91
trobertson wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the GP: > Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely The point is that this fact isn't newsworthy... unless Reuters is running an agenda. This article is blatant fearmongering.

Of course it's news. Governments are massively ramping up booster programmes specifically because of Omicron, and here are two doctors at the very same hospital who had it despite having had three shots. Note these are not "two random doctors separated in time by a large amount", they're two doctors who work together. Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected. People flagging this th…

Two examples is not remotely proof that "booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected."

Stop pushing this agenda. It is ignorant and false.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by native_samples »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #93
native_samples wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's news. Governments are massively ramping up booster programmes specifically because of Omicron, and here are two doctors at the very same hospital who had it despite having had three shots. Note these are not "two random doctors separated in time by a large amount", they're two doctors who work together. Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected. People flagging this th…

> Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected. ...and that's a non-news. We know that, we didn't expect anything else for a long time now since it's also true for other variants. Booster policies were made with that information already taken into account.

A whole lot of people don't realize that. BBC News quoted just a few days ago someone saying that vaccine passports made her feel safe, because she knows everyone is tested, recovered or vaccinated. The fact that she can still get COVID from other vaccinated people hadn't registered and the BBC didn't bother pointing it out.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by new_realist »

daveguy wrote: post #94
native_samples wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's news. Governments are massively ramping up booster programmes specifically because of Omicron, and here are two doctors at the very same hospital who had it despite having had three shots. Note these are not "two random doctors separated in time by a large amount", they're two doctors who work together. Conclusion: booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected. People flagging this th…

Two examples is not remotely proof that "booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected." Stop pushing this agenda. It is ignorant and false.

It is an existence proof of two. People, in this case two people, did get it.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by DanBC »

crackercrews wrote: post #17

> The two doctors had received three doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, and so far have shown mild COVID-19 symptoms, the hospital said. The mildness of the symptoms is just as newsworthy as the fact that there are breakthrough infections. It has long been speculated that COVID-19 would evolve into more contagious but less virulent variants. Omicron may be one such variant. If it is, that's probably a good thing.…

> It has long been speculated that COVID-19 would evolve into more contagious but less virulent variants.

That speculation has only come from people who don't know what they're talking about.

Is there any other virus where this happened? It didn't happen for smallpox, ebola, measles, flu.

You're also ignoring the law of big numbers: if it kills fewer people than delta but infects more people we're probably going to see more deaths. People won't want to take any precautions against it, which means very many more people will get infected.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by was8309 »

new_realist wrote: post #96
daveguy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two examples is not remotely proof that "booster shots do not stop people getting it or getting infected." Stop pushing this agenda. It is ignorant and false.

It is an existence proof of two. People, in this case two people, did get it.

I'm honestly having trouble deciding if you're trolling or not. Do you really not understand that it's not binary but about the chances? isn't it simply how many out of a some big number of vaccinated got it and how bad did they get it, versus how many out of the same big number of non-vaccinated people got it, and how bad did they get it?

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by taylodl »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4
jdhn wrote: post #2

How is this news? We've known for some time that the vaccines are leaky, and they appear to be working in regards to keeping the doctors out of the hospital and only afflicted with mild symptoms.

We've entered a culture fueled by indignation, where every apparent slight contradiction is waved like a flag and denounced as a conspiracy. Reality is nuanced. That's all been lost in public discourse. Because there's no thrill in that.

> Because there's no thrill in that

No, it's because there's no political gain in that. This is a result of politicizing everything.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by taylodl »

busymom0 wrote: post #47
ModernMech wrote: post #30

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Yes, you see this as people point out that Gibraltar, a place that is supposedly 100% vaccinated, is experiencing an outbreak of 3000 cases since June. What they leave out is that 4 people have died in Gibraltar of Covid since that outbreak started. In January before vaccines were available, they had an earlier outbreak of 3000 cases. Close to 100 people died during that outbreak. This seems like a very obvious case…

> vaccine skeptic analysis seems to stop at the cases and concludes that the vaccine is ineffective This is not accurate. It's the mandates which most people have problems with, not the vaccine. Mandating something which doesn't prevent transmission under coercion from the government is illogical. The current shots are basically potential severe symptom mitigator - which if you think you would benefit, you should tak…

I think the prevention of the collapse of medical care is a worthwhile government goal. Prior to the vaccines our medical care system was on the verge of collapse. The areas remaining under vaccinated are still in danger of having impacted medical care. People are dying from non-covid illnesses because they can't get the medical care they need due to the medical responders being overwhelmed by covid. The vaccines have made it so that the breakthrough cases are mild and generally don't require hospitalization. This allows us to get our medical infrastructure back on track.

Having said that, medical infrastructure collapse is on a county basis. Maybe vaccine mandates should be handled at the county level?

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