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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ghouse »

laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

From the FAQ:

> At a minimum, you need to provide 110-volt AC power outlets, public internet access....

In the US, 120 or 240 volts are used. Per ANSI C84.1-2020

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by vvanders »

Naracion wrote: post #310
ahaseeb wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think 5G will replace wifi within next 10 years. We don't need WiFi anymore

As somebody not very well-versed in this, a sincere question. Would something like 5g be able to replace a home intranet / network? Eg I have a personal media server that I stream to devices on my wifi--would this be able to work with 5g? From my perspective 5g can only replace internet access, yes? Devices that want to communicate with each other securely would still prefer to be connected over wifi or other persona…

The part of 5G that gets thrown around a lot with high speed and capacity is mostly based on mmWave bands(think 10's of Ghz) which attenuate incredibly quick. Most of them are nearly direct line of sight. You already see some issue with 5Ghz wifi not going well through walls, there's a high chance you'd be falling back to one of the lower speed bands inside.

The other thing is there's a non-zero amount overlap in the way spectrum is used in wifi and 3/4/5G, MIMO, spread spectrum and other approaches are all trying to get as close to the theoretical limit of the channel bandwidth. When you start looking at large scale wifi deployments it starts getting split into cells of channels not to dissimilar to cellular deployments. There are some differences and certain bands benefit from discrete allocation/cell management but at the end of the day it's all radio waves over the air.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by aldonius »

ghouse wrote: post #311
laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

From the FAQ: > At a minimum, you need to provide 110-volt AC power outlets, public internet access.... In the US, 120 or 240 volts are used. Per ANSI C84.1-2020

Voltage supply levels vary a little bit from country to country and modern PSUs are built to accommodate that. My laptop PSU for example will take anything from 100V to 240V, at either 50Hz or 60Hz.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by matt123456789 »

ghouse wrote: post #311
laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

From the FAQ: > At a minimum, you need to provide 110-volt AC power outlets, public internet access.... In the US, 120 or 240 volts are used. Per ANSI C84.1-2020

I don’t have insider info but you can almost certainly use this on a 120v outlet. 120 has been the standard for 50 years and you would only need special consideration if the power requirement was something weird like 3-phase 208v or 480v or something. I could be wrong but I don’t see AWS requiring specialty low-voltage electrical supply here.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by sinak »

vvanders wrote: post #302
beyondzero wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot on. This could be a game changer for us ($xB 100+ year old manufacturing company), where we are on a long, slow journey to digitize every piece of manufacturing (long and slow because manufacturing runs almost 24x7x365). Wifi, even the top enterprise systems, is not as resilient, cheap and quickly installed as we'd like. So now I can use 5G instead, and template and deploy it via the cloud? Yes, yes! We'll put t…

If you have problems with wifi resiliency I've got bad news for you about the wavelengths 5G uses.

5G is typically deployed in CBRS bands - i.e. 3.5 GHz. This isn't mmWave. Will have meaningfully higher coverage areas than WiFi (but mostly because WiFi is power-limited, not to do with frequency).

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by FateOfNations »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #309
laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

So it's kind of like a VLAN except it's strapped onto the 5G network of the various providers of 5G service via hotspots. Kind of like my 4G security system piggybacks on the network but isn't really callable by a regular old cell phone.

No it's not. It's more like a wifi access point, a hardware device that sets up a private network. The public providers aren't involved in your 5G network at all (unless you are using them for internet uplink at the facility, but that is independent of the private network. AWS handles all the complicated 5G software stack in the cloud though.

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Post by supertrope »

cshipley wrote: post #192
vineyardmike wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

>This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS. I think a lot of people are missing this point. This will not allow someone to become their own carrier. It allows someone to install their own "cell towers" and have devices connect to them without having to use a 3rd party carrier.

Like installing a PBX or email server for internal communications?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by supertrope »

a-dub wrote: post #215

so i'm guessing this means they use 5g in their warehouses for the their robots/cameras/etc and they've turned it into a product? it's still a little unclear to me when 5g becomes a better option than 802.11. the standard bands are just a little faster than lte (which 802.11 outperforms) and the mmwave high bandwidth stuff requires line of sight with no occlusion. 802.11 seems better all around, it can work at high b…

Think of the scenarios where Wi-Fi performance suffers. A sports stadium or music concert with thousands or tens of thousands of people. You make a phone call over Wi-Fi and the other person complains "you're breaking up." A convention floor with hundreds of booths. An auditorium with hundreds of people with an open laptop.

LTE and 5G have much more consistent latency, and can provide true quality of service mechanisms. Wi-Fi has 802.11e that moves VoIP packets to the front of a series of queues but this is only a probabilistic process not a guaranteed time slot every 20ms. Of course licensed channels are an important part of this carrier grade experience and Wi-Fi on a low duty cycle 5GHz channel is often good enough.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by supertrope »

ipdashc wrote: post #305
8ytecoder wrote: post #269

I think people are missing the point on what this is about. It's not about telecom at all. 5G is being looked at as an alternative to WiFi in certain environments - large retail stores, warehouses, ...etc. Basically anything where you need large scale WiFi mesh setups and the devices are controlled by a single entity.

Why though? What's the advantage of this over Wi-Fi?

If you need consistently low latency, high uptime, have security requirements, or need extended range. And don't mind paying more. ATMs, credit card machines, alarm systems, EV chargers, phones, etc. are often on cellular connections.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by xxpor »

aldonius wrote: post #313
ghouse wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the FAQ: > At a minimum, you need to provide 110-volt AC power outlets, public internet access.... In the US, 120 or 240 volts are used. Per ANSI C84.1-2020

Voltage supply levels vary a little bit from country to country and modern PSUs are built to accommodate that. My laptop PSU for example will take anything from 100V to 240V, at either 50Hz or 60Hz.

Japan uses 100V, FWIW.
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