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Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

shusaku wrote: post #35
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Reuters is just reporting an event. Nobody goes to the front page of Reuters to see what stories are important. It’s aggregators like… hacker news… that are fanning the flames.

Reuters used to represent a “just the facts” news wire. But now it just isn’t. Yes this is an event in the same way that someone relapsing in cancer is an event. It alone is pointless and does not a trend make.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by busymom0 »

1cvmask wrote: post #3

My favorite part is the invocation of counter-terrorism measures: Israel shut its borders to foreigners from all countries for 14 days on Saturday to try to contain the spread of Omicron and has reintroduced counter-terrorism phone-tracking technology to trace contacts of a handful of people who have likely been infected.

Related NYTimes:

> Israel's domestic intelligence agency has been granted temporary permission to access the phone data of people in the country with confirmed cases of the Omicron variant for contact tracing.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1465439194575253514

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by glitchc »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20
abduhl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that COVID was a bane for the news industry - I think it’s been a great boon to them. People locked down in their apartments with nothing else to do but refresh news sites and Twitter and have their chosen news network tell them how the other side is making it worse, all against the backdrop of an election? This is modern media’s wet dream and they’ve pounced on it.

Fuck I mixed up my banes and boons. In my defense I’m a tad drunk and ran out of cocaine

That’s a definite bane.. er, boon.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by brohoolio »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #37
colechristensen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few people have been talking about it responsibly throughout the course. It’s become a weird morality issue and anyone taking about it from that position is adding to the problem regardless of moral stance, and the morality isn’t even being done correctly focusing on the actual issues. I guess it’s just a symptom of the attention economy and the bad state of education and ability for independent thought everywhe…

Disease has always been viewed through a moral lens. Plague was from sin, aids was from sin. We have always judged the sick through a moral lens and only through hindsight do we see how terrible that was. And then we repeat the same mistake. I am confident that the people giving out so called “Herman Cain Awards” for COVID will be judged as harshly as we judge those who called HIV the gay plague.

It’s possible. My understanding though is that “Hermain Cain Awards” go out to folks who fall into several categories.

They deny the virus exists/ is dangerous.

They don’t take precautions, like masks or get vaccinated.

The advocate against folks who get vaccinated calling them “sheep” or other names.

On one hand, many of these folks have fallen victim to disinformation and one political party in America that’s trying to actively hurt them for some sort of gain. So yea maybe it’s not their fault. On the other hand, my friend got accosted trying to get his kiddo vaxxed by one of these folks. Not cool.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by chrisco255 »

jdhn wrote: post #2

How is this news? We've known for some time that the vaccines are leaky, and they appear to be working in regards to keeping the doctors out of the hospital and only afflicted with mild symptoms.

Because people are losing their jobs and liberty over perhaps the least effective vaccine in history.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by poorjohnmacafee »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Both my parents, sister, and a slew of friends and co-workers have had "breakthrough infections" from covid, I'm not really sure (if you're not getting boosters) whether you even have protection from regular let alone Omicron at this point.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by busymom0 »

ModernMech wrote: post #30
jdhn wrote: post #2

How is this news? We've known for some time that the vaccines are leaky, and they appear to be working in regards to keeping the doctors out of the hospital and only afflicted with mild symptoms.

Yes, you see this as people point out that Gibraltar, a place that is supposedly 100% vaccinated, is experiencing an outbreak of 3000 cases since June. What they leave out is that 4 people have died in Gibraltar of Covid since that outbreak started. In January before vaccines were available, they had an earlier outbreak of 3000 cases. Close to 100 people died during that outbreak. This seems like a very obvious case…

> vaccine skeptic analysis seems to stop at the cases and concludes that the vaccine is ineffective

This is not accurate. It's the mandates which most people have problems with, not the vaccine. Mandating something which doesn't prevent transmission under coercion from the government is illogical. The current shots are basically potential severe symptom mitigator - which if you think you would benefit, you should take it. It should not be mandated.

Here in Canada:

The Supreme Court of Canada has repeatedly recognized "the right of a patient to decide what, if anything, should be done with his body" and that no treatment can be given to a competent patient without their "voluntary informed consent." A treating doctor avoids liability for battery only with a valid and informed consent. The doctor must explain the risks and is legally and ethically obliged to treat within the confines of that consent. An aspect of the respect for human dignity is the right to make fundamental personal decisions without interference from the state.

However, the same liability considerations do not apply to a patient's right to refuse treatment which is an inherent component of the supremacy of the patient's right over his own body. That right to refuse treatment is not premised on an understanding of the risks of refusal. A patient has the right to refuse treatment regardless of whether it is necessary to preserve their life or health. People must have the right to make choices that accord with their own values "regardless of how unwise or foolish those choices may appear to others". The right "to decide one’s own fate" includes the unqualified right to refuse life-saving medical treatment."

Source for Canada SCC rulings on voluntary informed consent:

https://canlii.ca/t/1ftjt

https://canlii.ca/t/1mjv6

https://canlii.ca/t/1p78q

https://canlii.ca/t/g1757

https://canlii.ca/t/24432

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by bmarquez »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #41
shusaku wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reuters is just reporting an event. Nobody goes to the front page of Reuters to see what stories are important. It’s aggregators like… hacker news… that are fanning the flames.

Reuters used to represent a “just the facts” news wire. But now it just isn’t. Yes this is an event in the same way that someone relapsing in cancer is an event. It alone is pointless and does not a trend make.

> Reuters used to represent a "just the facts" news wire.

After reading the article I'm still not seeing the problem. The sentences in the article are factual information, there is no obvious editorial bias like a CNN or Fox article, and there is nothing telling you how to feel (e.g. "You should be afraid" NYT title).

Reuters still seems pretty good compared to what's available out there.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by bserge »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Way too late. Things have been getting better, yet according to the media the world is literal Hell for decades.

Nothing is factual reporting anymore, everything has to have some angle, the more negative emotions it triggers, the better.

"News" is only negative, because reporting on postive stuff was how the commies did propaganda or something.

Social Media just made it worse, now you have millions of people "reporting the news", the same way they learned from traditional media.

Fuck it all.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by jewelry »

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #46
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Both my parents, sister, and a slew of friends and co-workers have had "breakthrough infections" from covid, I'm not really sure (if you're not getting boosters) whether you even have protection from regular let alone Omicron at this point.

That only means you're in the place with a lot virus flowing around, nothing else. Vaccine stimulate your immune system to lower the chance to get infected, and even if infected much lower chance to get severely damaged.
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