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Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #28
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may turn out to be true but there is absolutely no way they have enough data to make such claims yet. To do so is irresponsible at best

I agree, it's up to anyone consuming sources to decide for themselves based on available evidence.

Right, but anyone who takes a position yet should be dismissed without prejudice. The default, null hypothesis is that Omicron is exactly as virulent and deadly as the current baseline, Delta. Anything else is bullshit for now and anyone who claims to have data contra that null hypothesis is lying

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

lupinglade wrote: post #13
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Borderline? It's far beyond that by now.

I know this is gonna sound extremely un-American, but nothing has made me despise free speech more than the past year. Media companies running blatantly false or libelous articles pushing the states agenda. Or touting hearsay spoken by some random twitter user as fact fanning flames of witch hunting for peoples jobs all based off of pure speculation and rumor. Our media companies either need to be reigned in, or just completely restructured in terms of what their first amendment rights are.

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Post by shusaku »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Reuters is just reporting an event. Nobody goes to the front page of Reuters to see what stories are important. It’s aggregators like… hacker news… that are fanning the flames.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by sushsjsuauahab »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20
abduhl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that COVID was a bane for the news industry - I think it’s been a great boon to them. People locked down in their apartments with nothing else to do but refresh news sites and Twitter and have their chosen news network tell them how the other side is making it worse, all against the backdrop of an election? This is modern media’s wet dream and they’ve pounced on it.

Fuck I mixed up my banes and boons. In my defense I’m a tad drunk and ran out of cocaine

This isn't helping your credibility.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

colechristensen wrote: post #18
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #5

The media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive…

Very few people have been talking about it responsibly throughout the course. It’s become a weird morality issue and anyone taking about it from that position is adding to the problem regardless of moral stance, and the morality isn’t even being done correctly focusing on the actual issues. I guess it’s just a symptom of the attention economy and the bad state of education and ability for independent thought everywhe…

Disease has always been viewed through a moral lens. Plague was from sin, aids was from sin. We have always judged the sick through a moral lens and only through hindsight do we see how terrible that was. And then we repeat the same mistake.

I am confident that the people giving out so called “Herman Cain Awards” for COVID will be judged as harshly as we judge those who called HIV the gay plague.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by sytelus »

crackercrews wrote: post #17

> The two doctors had received three doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, and so far have shown mild COVID-19 symptoms, the hospital said. The mildness of the symptoms is just as newsworthy as the fact that there are breakthrough infections. It has long been speculated that COVID-19 would evolve into more contagious but less virulent variants. Omicron may be one such variant. If it is, that's probably a good thing.…

You don't get stronger immunity. It's like cold virus. The idea behind cold virus is to not allow your host to develop any immunity. Before host's immune system gets around it, cold virus spreads and kills itself in host. This combined with rapid mutations means that there is no cure for cold. Covid DNA structure is similar and may eventually evolve to adopt same strategy in long term. Killing host is not a good strategy for viruses which is why Ebola was unable to take stronger foothold.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

sushsjsuauahab wrote: post #36
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck I mixed up my banes and boons. In my defense I’m a tad drunk and ran out of cocaine

This isn't helping your credibility.

You’d be shocked to learn how much you consider credible was discovered, discussed or announced under the influence of either alcohol or cocaine.. or both.

Re: Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron

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Post by cpncrunch »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #24
crackercrews wrote: post #17

> The two doctors had received three doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, and so far have shown mild COVID-19 symptoms, the hospital said. The mildness of the symptoms is just as newsworthy as the fact that there are breakthrough infections. It has long been speculated that COVID-19 would evolve into more contagious but less virulent variants. Omicron may be one such variant. If it is, that's probably a good thing.…

The bigger fear though is in the unvaccinated. Read news coming out of Israel that R has increased by 1.3x and severity (not sure how that's measured) has increased by 2.4x over Delta [1]. [1] https://tinyurl.com/yckjcmzu

It also says that the vaccine effectiveness for triple vaccinated people is 90% vs 95% for delta, so still pretty good.
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