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FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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You are wrong. It protects passwords as speech, as they are testimonial, per many court rulings. It does not protect biometrics based on law that basically says the police can force you to give up your fingerprints for their records, so they can sure as fuck force your finger onto a reader.

Can they force someone to LOOK at the phone? FaceID with attention check will need you to look before it opens.

Arguably, yes. That's why it's important to know the shortcut on iOS to render faceid inoperable until you give it the password - mash the power button five times fast!

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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> It doesn't matter where your data is held, locally or cloud In the US it does

Citation? This ruling has been adopted by the US Supreme Court: https://privacylaw.proskauer.com/2007/06/articles/electronic...

Look at the link I posted up there? it is 10 years newer then yours

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Telegram's block in Russia was likely a very successful PR action coordinated with authorities. It was never removed from national appstores, and Google/Apple usually comply with such requests, and the fact that it was unbanned is unprecedented.

Apple did stop updates for the Telegram. Google and Apple has weak history on compiling Russian requests. Maybe they complie with other countries more, but not Russian. https://www.pcmag.com/news/after-almost-2-months-apple-stops...

They did have linkedin app removed, and that was a rather mild transgression against Russian laws, compared to Telegram.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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"threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace" "I feared that I may lose my job." I understand that police/FBI have to conduct investigation. What dont understand is involvement of the employer , it's extremely disturbing - you have not been convincted, you have not been charged, you are not even a suspect or accused of anything at this point - how is your private life the business of your employer? Why is your p…

The FBI still has buildings named after J Edgar Hoover. That should tell you everything you need to know about their institutional respect for justice and due process.

For non-americans, what was J Edgar Hoover known for?

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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The FBI still has buildings named after J Edgar Hoover. That should tell you everything you need to know about their institutional respect for justice and due process.

For non-americans, what was J Edgar Hoover known for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover#Investigation_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover#Reaction_to_ci...

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Um, ok. All of the above projects use not only reproducible builds for many platforms, but they’re all open source, and they all have public security audits. Those three pillars are about as good as it gets. Is there something you would add? I’m not claiming PBS and the BBC are perfect entities, but they do offer an alternative source of information that runs against the grain of corporate media. You would prefer…wha…

> Is there something you would add? Let's start with "not being created/funded by the State Department or Pentagon". > You would prefer…what exactly? Again, let's start with "not being blatant propaganda produced by warmongers".

First, there’s a vast difference between the state department and the pentagon. Lumping those two together just reflects an unsophisticated understanding of the federal government. Signal has never received any state department or pentagon money. Tor had a significant early contribution from a researcher at Naval Research. That’s the extent of any pentagon funding. They have received significant state department funding, but to call the state department “warmongers” is just not accurate.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Some FBI agents came to my house once and told me that my home Internet had been used to visit Islamic Extremist websites. They brought a local police office with them and a 'threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace. They asked me if my family was Muslim and wanted to know if we had been radicalized. We are not religious (at all). We do not attend church, synagogue or mosque. We are lower middle class white A…

Do you work for a government agency or contractor? That might explain why they contacted your employer so readily.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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The people responsible for investigating and prosecuting such crimes have some not so great incentives to avoid doing so and keep the whole thing secret though, don't they? And then when they get caught, they do this: https://cdt.org/insights/the-truth-about-telecom-immunity/

Sounds like an easy way to have your case tossed out in court. It's funny how much this differs from my own personal experience with law enforcement. The friends I know are timid as hell and don't do anything without a warrant just to stay on the safe side- even if they probably don't need one.

You have to generally assume that the FBI and other government agencies are competent. My baseline, starting assumption is that if everyone in the US was too scared to use programs like PRISM, they wouldn't have been built.

So these kinds of claims just don't make any sense in a world where we know that government has conducted surveillance without a warrant, and where we know that the FBI has built entire programs designed to make it easier for them to conduct surveillance without a warrant.

From the article posted that you're replying to:

> What Administration officials tend to obscure is that what they seek is not immunity for future cooperation with lawful surveillance, but rather telecom immunity for assisting with unlawful surveillance conducted from October 2001 through January 17, 2007, as part of the warrantless wiretap program initiated by the White House.

I'm not sure I understand what your implication is. I don't understand how it's possible to respond to an article that is about telecoms seeking immunity for previous unlawful actions by saying, "the government/businesses would be way too scared to do anything unlawful." I mean... obviously not, they sought immunity for it. They wouldn't just randomly do that, the most likely explanation is that they made immunity a pressing issue because they thought they needed it.

It does not seem to me that the optimistic world you describe and the observable actions and lobbying efforts of companies/administrations line up with each other.

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The FBI still has buildings named after J Edgar Hoover. That should tell you everything you need to know about their institutional respect for justice and due process.

For non-americans, what was J Edgar Hoover known for?

I'm also not an American - but as far as I've read - massive abuse of power in using the FBI to spy on political rivals, illegal wiretapping, illegal surveillance of US congressmen and even presidents, running the FBI while they were doing extremely controversial programs like COINTELPRO and programs and investigations that tried to hinder the civil rights movement, etc.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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The FBI still has buildings named after J Edgar Hoover. That should tell you everything you need to know about their institutional respect for justice and due process.

For non-americans, what was J Edgar Hoover known for?

Turning the FBI into a blackmail operation.
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